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Amorphous said:http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/25/autistic.boy.death/
Despite western medicine's unprecedented advances in the understanding of neurological conditions, why do many faith healing churches in charismatic circles cling to medieval notions of casting out demons from those who merely need adequate medical treatment? It boggles the mind that "casting out demons" is course of action taken at the dawn of the 21st century by some churches. Perhaps we need to make an example of this church to insure that foolishness like this is never repeated again. May the pastor be convicted of first degree murder.
Amorphous said:http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/25/autistic.boy.death/
Despite western medicine's unprecedented advances in the understanding of neurological conditions, why do many faith healing churches in charismatic circles cling to medieval notions of casting out demons from those who merely need adequate medical treatment? It boggles the mind that "casting out demons" is course of action taken at the dawn of the 21st century by some churches. Perhaps we need to make an example of this church to insure that foolishness like this is never repeated again. May the pastor be convicted of first degree murder.
medieval notions of casting out demons from those who merely need adequate medical treatment?
didaskalos said:You have never had a demon.. have you? I have met people who had demons, had demons cast out, and who were so possessed by demons that they could not control their own actions. I have heard demons speak, seen them bodily, and have spoken to them. What these people did may have been wrong... but that does not mean demons are not real. Perhaps you should investigate these matters before you take a stand such as: "Perhaps we need to make an example of this church to insure that foolishness like this is never repeated again..."
ChurchBoy said:Where these people Christians? I am not sure how you saw demons since demons have no physicality. Demons are spiritual beings that have no physical bodies. Demons can not make people do things against their will. Christians cannot be possessed by demons. Demons are real. The are much more clever and insidious than we think. They tempt us through the world and by attacking our minds to get us to sin and turn from God.
ChurchBoy said:Where these people Christians? I am not sure how you saw demons since demons have no physicality. Demons are spiritual beings that have no physical bodies. Demons can not make people do things against their will. Christians cannot be possessed by demons. Demons are real. The are much more clever and insidious than we think. They tempt us through the world and by attacking our minds to get us to sin and turn from God.
I agree with you...demons have no physicality, whether they're a "disembodied entity" as we theorize them to be or not. The spiritual realm is not to be seen or understood by our minds, which interpret electromagnetic radiation. But we CAN see symbols that the spirit shows us. The new testiment says that no man has seen God at any time, yet the prophet Isaih says that he saw the Lord, high and lifted up. God the father cannot be beheld, but a symbol of God can be. The same goes for demonic entities. Obviously somebody saw Satan in the story of Job (unless somebody wants to argue that Job is merely a tale...). And, well, John saw frogs. So to say that a person "sees" a demon is not necessarily Biblically inaccurate, it's just technically incomplete. God shows us images to help us understand what we cannot understand. BlessingsChurchBoy said:Where these people Christians? I am not sure how you saw demons since demons have no physicality. Demons are spiritual beings that have no physical bodies. Demons can not make people do things against their will. Christians cannot be possessed by demons. Demons are real. The are much more clever and insidious than we think. They tempt us through the world and by attacking our minds to get us to sin and turn from God.
When some yahoo decides a kid with a birth defect needs exorcism, physically restrains him and sits/lays on him, for the length of the service, until this little boy who has no idea what's going on suffocates and dies. It may not be first degree murder, but this child's blood is definitely on his hands.Andrew said:3. "May the pastor be convicted of first degree murder." Gosh, since when did praying for the sick, a commandment of Jesus, become "murder"?
Was this entry in response to my posting, or to the other gentleman who said that demons couldn’t be seen at all? If you read all of what I said, you saw that I said that the Spirit DOES show us spiritual things, and I gave Scriptural references, not personal experiences, which are also free to you if you should want to hear them. I merely said that the spiritual realm is not comprehended by any of our senses, and what we do detect is a parable, if given by God, for our understanding. If given by Satan, for our deception.look said:Hmm...
So, you are saying that we can't see angels either, am I right? That would be a bummer, seeing that they are sent to minister to the "heirs of salvation"...
You must be basing this observation on your "experiences", it is generally not a good idea to let a lack of actual experiences help you interpret God's Word. Also, I'm sure you will, from this point on, hear of other's experiences with their angels...
As a matter of fact, In the U.S.A., in the Far West, there are Indian tribes who make "Katchina dolls" and did you know these dolls are painted with the caricatures of the demons they see and worship in dance, at ceremonies that are presided over by their Shamans (witchdoctors)? How else can they make the Shamans appear powerful and enable the Shaman to rule with fear? Trust me, Demons can be seen and they have tangible substance. How else can they put sickness or a curse on someone? or even possess an unsaved one?
I'm really not trying to offend you or anybody else, but it seems very plain that you are still carnal (ruled by body or mind, or the state of being materialistic). If you endeavor to spend lots of time in the Bible and God, you will change your mind...
It's called "renewing" your mind to the word of God...
ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
EPH 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
COL 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
May our God and Lord Jesus bless you and yours 'till your cup overflows...
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