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What about Saul and Joshua? Their wars were like that! Joshua was even worse! His monsters actually enjoyed the killings! This clearly goes against the 6th commandment. I say if you can't obey your own laws, you shouldn't expect anyone else to. IOW lead by example.In that particular war, women and children and animals and belongings should ALL be destroyed. This is only applied to that particular war. God clearly says, other wars are not like that.
I already did! Numbers 31: 17-18I don't know about rape. You may show me the verses.
This implies the Earth existed before the Sun and all the other stars and planets; something that we are going to have to agree to disagree with.There is light, and there is something (planet) rotating.
The consequence is the illuminated side and the shadow side.
Clear enough?
This implies the Earth existed before the Sun and all the other stars and planets; something that we are going to have to agree to disagree with.
Let's move on to the next; Noah's Ark.
Please provide details on how it is possible from a scientific engineering standpoint, to make a vessel 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high made completely out of non-pressure treated wood, without any steel reinforcements; and still have this structure float.
Ken
What about Saul and Joshua? Their wars were like that! Joshua was even worse! His monsters actually enjoyed the killings! This clearly goes against the 6th commandment. I say if you can't obey your own laws, you shouldn't expect anyone else to. IOW lead by example.
I already did! Numbers 31: 17-18
K
Numbers 31:17-18 says:Many places recorded in the Numbers and the Joshua shows that Israelites did not completely obey God's order. Num 31 is a good example. Only I don't read anything about rape.
According to science, the Sun birthed Earth and all the other planets. But as I said before, we can agree to disagree with this one.Yes, the earth, in general, planet, is very likely to be formed before the Sun (star). There is no reason not to. Our middle/high school model is probably wrong.
My claim is that it won't float because wood is too flexible. A quick google search of the largest completely wooden vessels of today are not nearly that size. Even when that christian guy John Huibers made the replicia of Noah's Ark for display had to use steel reinforcements when he made his model.I am not an engineer. So my comment on this one would be as bad as yours. But the burden is not on me but is on you. You need to argue that the Art is not able to support large load. I am not convinced by simply saying it won't. This one should, in fact, be the easiest to verify. Because the size and the structure of the Ark are clearly described in the Scripture. I have not heard any strong argument against the strength of the Ark.
Numbers 31:17-18 says:
Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. (18)But all the women that have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
Keep alive for yourselves means the virgins were kept alive for rape
Ken
According to science, the Sun birthed Earth and all the other planets. But as I said before, we can agree to disagree with this one.
My claim is that it won't float because wood is too flexible. A quick google search of the largest completely wooden vessels of today are not nearly that size. Even when that christian guy John Huibers made the replicia of Noah's Ark for display had to use steel reinforcements when he made his model.
Dutchman Johan Huibers launches life-sized Noah's Ark replica in Dordrecht | Mail Online
Ken
Scientific models say the Sun was before the Earth.No. You can not "agree or disagree" with scientific models. Either it is wrong, or it is right.
As flexible as wood is, what would you use to prevent the structure from flexing and falling apart?Huibers' ark is built to display. It could be strengthen to sail. Give enough wood and enough time, any size of ship WILL float. Wood floats. Ship made of wood definitely floats.
Scientific models say the Sun was before the Earth.
As flexible as wood is, what would you use to prevent the structure from flexing and falling apart?
Ken
After reading over our conversations I now understand our misunderstanding and its my mistake. Instead of saying a wooden ship wouldnt float, I should have used the term sea worthy. The problem with a wooden ship of that size is that the motion of the ocean would cause the wood to flex and fall apart. I should have been clearer when making my point.
Ken
I don't see why the bible has to be all correct. I think the story of the resurrection just has to be true. Christianity really rises or falls on that.
Please expalin whyThe sun first model has significant problem. The planet first model is easier.
Ropes and trusses made of what? Unless they are made of steel, they will probably flex more than the wood.A lot of trusses and ropes may fasten the Ark good enough.
No, the problem is the fact that wood flexes and the ocean is constantly moving.I think the main problem is on the beam. It is hard to find a single piece of wood long enough for the whole ark.
The largest all wooden ship built in history is not nearly as big as Noah's. Why do you suppose this is?However, this would also be the problem for larger ship built in history. If they can do it, Noah can certainly do it.
Can you now see why a skeptic such as myself would not see logic behind these stories?Because it is ONE integrated theology. If one part failed, then other parts become suspect.
Because it is ONE integrated theology. If one part failed, then other parts become suspect.
Can you now see why a skeptic such as myself would not see logic behind these stories?
Ken
No, the problem is the fact that wood flexes and the ocean is constantly moving.
The largest all wooden ship built in history is not nearly as big as Noah's. Why do you suppose this is?
Ken
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