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How can we love our enemies.

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myquestions said:
i am wondering, god says to love our enemies, but how can we love those that hurt as, like a child abuser and those who rape us , how can we love them? it's impossible to pretend it didnt' happen and just act like we love them. that's so weird

I think we can love them by looking at them through eyes of understanding and compassion. I wouldn't know how that is done because I have no enemies...but I do love those who have hurt me.

sometimes i find chirstianisty contodicting? like god says to love bad ppl but then he wants us to be against the devil ?

God says love people-there is no such thing as bad people, only people who do things that we consider bad. God doesn't want us to be against the devil, for the devil exists not.

and also he punishes bad ppl?

No, He doesn't punish bad people. There are natural consequences to all actions.
 
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Morallyangelic said:
you have to remember that you can't see the bigger picture and God can.

Love them because they are fullfilling a purpose that you can't ever know.

:amen: This is the way that I try to view things.
 
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Casstranquility said:
God says love people-there is no such thing as bad people, only people who do things that we consider bad. God doesn't want us to be against the devil, for the devil exists not.

No, He doesn't punish bad people. There are natural consequences to all actions.
Not what Jesus and the Bible says.
 
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dvd_holc said:
Not what Jesus and the Bible says.

Which part are you talking about? The part about there not being any bad people? Well, Jesus and the Bible never said a word about "bad" people. I believe the word used most often is "sinners", being that every goes against their own moral code at some point in their life, everyone is what Jesus would call a "sinner", but that doesn't make people "bad".

And for God not punishing "bad" people-He doesn't. It may say that God had people killed in the Old Testament, but that's not necessarily literally true.
If you are talking about hell, it is not a punishment in most people's beliefs but a natural consequence to being a "sinner". In the Christian belief system, Christ died for "sinners", so now it is definitely clear that God doesn't punish "bad" people.
 
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Casstranquility said:
Which part are you talking about? The part about there not being any bad people? Well, Jesus and the Bible never said a word about "bad" people. I believe the word used most often is "sinners", being that every goes against their own moral code at some point in their life, everyone is what Jesus would call a "sinner", but that doesn't make people "bad".

And for God not punishing "bad" people-He doesn't. It may say that God had people killed in the Old Testament, but that's not necessarily literally true.
If you are talking about hell, it is not a punishment in most people's beliefs but a natural consequence to being a "sinner". In the Christian belief system, Christ died for "sinners", so now it is definitely clear that God doesn't punish "bad" people.
The message of good and bad is also present with competing human standard good and bad. The reference point that we are good and bad as present by Jesus is repentance and living in faith with God. Those who are living in love with God are among his kingdom. But those who do not live in the kingdom are evil and wish not of complete love of God and his creation; therefore, they are bad. Even as bad...God considers the sinner very important and wants the sinner to believe and repent which leads to being in the harmony of life. The idea of moral code determining who is bad or not so bad is every human. It is a competing message that removes us from God's message. We are more than what people think of us. We are God's.

I don't want justification of believes has lead to believe that God does not punish the wicked. When we sin, we bring the kingdom of corruption through us. When we do God's purpose, we bring the kingdom of heaven through us. So then, Hell and Heaven are both present on Earth. However, this will not continue forever. The Earth will be restored and judgment will be determine who participates in it. It is written in the OT that God in fact has many judgments that are percursers to his final judgment so that humanity may know and living in anticipation of that day.

John 3:16-21
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Sounds to me that God condemns. Also, the parable of the sheep and goats also says there is judgment (ref Mat 25:31-46). Further, Rev 20:11-15 says there will be a judgment of the dead into Hell.

Also, from Acts 5, God judges Ananias and Sapphira in the after Christ.


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When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.


Now, the bible says they feel down and where dead. Does it sound like God did this?

 
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Casstranquility said:
Which part are you talking about? The part about there not being any bad people? Well, Jesus and the Bible never said a word about "bad" people. I believe the word used most often is "sinners", being that every goes against their own moral code at some point in their life, everyone is what Jesus would call a "sinner", but that doesn't make people "bad".

Matthew 7: 16. "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17. "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18. "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20. "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Matthew 12:33. "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.
34. "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35. "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36. "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

Matthew 13:49. "So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50. "and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.''

Matthew 22:10 "So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''

Romans 3:10 As the Scriptures say,``No one is good--no one in all the world is innocent.''

And for God not punishing "bad" people-He doesn't.

Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

2 Peter 2:9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment

2 Thessalonians 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It may say that God had people killed in the Old Testament, but that's not necessarily literally true.
Please back this statement up .

If you are talking about hell, it is not a punishment in most people's beliefs but a natural consequence to being a "sinner".
Judaism , Christianity and Islam which are the worlds three largest religions , all believe in hell .

In the Christian belief system, Christ died for "sinners", so now it is definitely clear that God doesn't punish "bad" people.
Yes , but all wont be saved because you have to receive what Christ did , if one does not , one will not be saved . Technically also one is no longer (before God) a "sinner" when they have received Christ .

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10. nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name: 13. who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We can become children of God through Christ , no one is His child untill they have been born of God.

Romans 9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
 
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Angel4Truth said:
Matthew 22:10 "So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Hey, you found one! :)
Yes, I know the Bible uses words like wicked and evil-but those terms are relative, too. Humans aren't completely evil, so when Christ called someone "evil", He was probably talking about the way they treated others. Language has its barriers. It's easy to tell that all trees bear both "good" and "bad" fruit. It is also just a matter of perspective.

When you see the word punishment in the Bible, that is an English word, do you know whether it was meant to be consequence instead of punishment?

Please back this statement up .

With what? How can I possibly back a statement up that is opinion? Some wish to take the Old Testament literally, some do not. No one knows how God wanted it to be viewed.

Judaism , Christianity and Islam which are the worlds three largest religions , all believe in hell .

So? I was saying that it was a consequence, not a punishment.
 
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To my mind, the concept is intended to be a meditative enigma—its intended to be used as a tool, to train oneself to see the way between two conflicting notions. The answer is profound in its simplicity: have no enemies…which, of course, leads us quite nicely into one of the most important things that Jesus came to teach humanity: forgiveness.
 
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Casstranquility said:
When you see the word punishment in the Bible, that is an English word, do you know whether it was meant to be consequence instead of punishment?

NKJV English -Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''

Literal with strongs numbers :

46.
|2532| And
|0565| will go away
|3778| these
|1519| into
|2851| punishment

|0166| eternal,
|3588| the
|1161| but
|1342| righteous
|1519| into
|2222| life
|0166| eternal.

Strong's Ref. # 2851
Romanized kolasis
Pronounced kol'-as-is
from GSN2849; penal infliction:
KJV--punishment, torment.


From Vines Greek Dictionary
Topics: PUNISHMENT
Strong's Number: 2851
Transliterated: kolasis
Text: akin to kolazo (PUNISH, No. 1), "punishment," is used in Matt. 25:46, "(eternal) punishment," and 1 John 4:18, "(fear hath) punishment," RV (KJV, "torment"), which there describes a process, not merely an effect; this kind of fear is expelled by perfect love; where God's love is being perfected in us, it gives no room for the fear of meeting with His reprobation; the "punishment" referred to is the immediate consequence of the sense of sin, not a holy awe but a slavish fear, the negation of the enjoyment of love.

So as a consequence of not receiving Christ , one will be eternally seperated from God , eternally seperated from love in torment and fear as yes a punishment for not receiving the payment Christ made.
 
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Angel4Truth said:
NKJV English -Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''

Literal with strongs numbers :

46.
|2532| And
|0565| will go away
|3778| these
|1519| into
|2851| punishment
|0166| eternal,
|3588| the
|1161| but
|1342| righteous
|1519| into
|2222| life
|0166| eternal.

Strong's Ref. # 2851
Romanized kolasis
Pronounced kol'-as-is
from GSN2849; penal infliction:
KJV--punishment, torment.


From Vines Greek Dictionary
Topics: PUNISHMENT
Strong's Number: 2851
Transliterated: kolasis
Text: akin to kolazo (PUNISH, No. 1), "punishment," is used in Matt. 25:46, "(eternal) punishment,"

Thanks, Angel4Truth. :) I really know nothing about the translations.

I don't believe in a literal hell, though.
 
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i am wondering, god says to love our enemies, but how can we love those that hurt as, like a child abuser and those who rape us , how can we love them? it's impossible to pretend it didnt' happen and just act like we love them. that's so weird

I've thought it about it, and I think it comes down to recognizing their worth as a human being. It may not sound like much, but human beings do have quite a bit of worth.

It is also important to realize that love is not love if it is conditional. People make distinictions between conditional love and unconditional love, but unconditional love is the only true type of love. You don't love someone from what they've done, or who exactly they are. You love them for their potential, and in recognition of how much they are like you.

and also he punishes bad ppl?

If someone needs punishment it is not loving to forgoe that punishment.
 
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MoonlessNight said:
I've thought it about it, and I think it comes down to recognizing their worth as a human being. It may not sound like much, but human beings do have quite a bit of worth.

I don't think you have to recognize anything. You don't have to like them. You don't have to understand them. We are enjoined to deal justly and show mercy.

It is also important to realize that love is not love if it is conditional. People make distinictions between conditional love and unconditional love, but unconditional love is the only true type of love. You don't love someone from what they've done, or who exactly they are. You love them for their potential, and in recognition of how much they are like you.

Perhaps. It came to me one day that I wasn't changing a dirty diaper because I loved the baby, but that changing the dirty diaper was the love. Love, I ween, is the toil and trouble and pain we take freely upon ourselves so that others will be spared the toil, trouble and pain. It is not a feeling, for often it is what we do in spite of what we feel. It is the hurtful word we leave unspoken, it is our own wrath swallowed, the unfair defeat unmourned, and the righteous triumph uncelebrated.

If someone needs punishment it is not loving to forgoe that punishment.

Sometimes people need correction. For example: The word should be spelled "forego". I am quite willing to leave punishment to the Lord. It is not my job, and I am not good at it.

:wave:
 
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myquestions said:
i am wondering, god says to love our enemies, but how can we love those that hurt as, like a child abuser and those who rape us , how can we love them? it's impossible to pretend it didnt' happen and just act like we love them. that's so weird
how can we love the devil that is our enemie?
sometimes i find chirstianisty contodicting? like god says to love bad ppl but then he wants us to be against the devil ?
and also he punishes bad ppl?

If someone does something bad, pray for them. That would be one way to love your enemies. God will reward you for it.
My parents were abusive, and I prayed for them everyday, and now I am in a better, much more loving home.
To those everyday, just plain mean people, try witnessing to them. If they refuse, keep on at it.
It shows that you care enough to try to get them to believe and go to heaven.
 
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I think the bible best describes love best:

”Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. “1 Corinthians 13:4-7
This is how we can show love to our enemies.




About loving the devil, I don’t think he was included in everyone, or neighbor. :)
 
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JonF said:
I think the bible best describes love best:

”Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. “1 Corinthians 13:4-7
This is how we can show love to our enemies.




About loving the devil, I don’t think he was included in everyone, or neighbor. :)
I think the devil, if there is one is us.
 
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How can we love our enemies? This is a good question, for it leads us into defining the meaning of love (over which there is much confusion) and to distinguish between different kinds of love.

So, what is love? Many people associate it with a feeling, or with a pleasure of someone's company. But this is incorrect; it isn't, on the very least, what the Scriptures mean by it.
To love someone is, first and foremost, to want what is good for them. This means that we may sometimes hurt those whom we love. For instance, when we punish our children; we are making them feel bad, because we seek to give them a good superior to pleasure.

So a good definition of love is wanting (and therefore doing) what is good for someone.
There are many different goods; from the pleasure of eating to eternal happiness. Of all goods, eternal happiness is the best. To want someone to achieve eternal happiness is to have absolute love for them. To want someone to have a lesser good is to have relative love for them.

For a friend, we have both absolute love and relative love (if we are good friends). We want our friends to find perfect happiness, to be saved, and we also wish them many lesser goods (health, honour, money, pleasure, etc).
But for an enemy, we usually nurture hatred. That is, we want them to lose a good they have (as when we punish a criminal, for instance. By taking a relative good from him, such as freedom, it is correct to say we have relative hatred for him). Christ commands us, though, to nurture absolute love even for our enemies, in virtue of them being created in the image of God like we are.
So, even for the worst of individuals, even if we want them to lose many lesser goods, we must want so them to achieve the absolute good, salvation, and help them in this regard.
 
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