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That's already been explained and it does not necessarily indicate immersion. That might have been the way Christ was baptized, although we know from the shallowness of the Jordan at such points that it would be difficult to accomplish, but it certainly does not "prove" that it happened that way.
That is not what Jesus is referring to. When we accept Jesus it has to be a conscious decision. Infants cannot make decisions.
Everyone understands that, my friend.You can't understand that you were born once, coming out of the womb of your mother, where you were in a sac filled with water for many months. This sac opened, and out you came into the world.
If you think so, then please answer this--This is your "born of Water".
Jesus is the way and came as our example and was baptized in water and lived a sinless life which we should all strive to be more like Him.
When Christ was baptized, was he standing in bodily fluid (however wrongly described in the Bible as the River Jordan)?
So...are you claiming that "much water" means immersion? That doesn't really follow logically, since you don't need an ocean in order to baptize by immersion.Not according to scriptures:
John 3:23And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
That's already been explained
. Rom 6:
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 Far from it! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life.
Baptism symbolizes that death burial and resurrection -- because it is believer's baptism via full water immersion
In the first place, Christ was God and therefore sinless. But he did undergo a baptism by John in order to show an example his followers are to follow.Christ was not a sinner being water baptized after he was born again
We've explained this, Bob. When a person leaves the water, he has to go UP onto the land. The water cannot be higher than the surrounding land. That's undeniable.Matt 3: 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
I'm not sure what point you had in mind to make with that information, but baptisms were not performed at the river's deepest point but rather at one of the shallow sections.Jordan River: " only about 100 feet wide at its broadest spot, and maybe 17 feet at its deepest point,"
So...are you claiming that "much water" means immersion?
Making a decision to accept Jesus and be "Born again" to leave our old life of sin to walk with Jesus in a path of righteousness does not make sense to you? Jesus was baptized in water why? Was He a sinner? No- Jesus was our example according to scriptures 1 John 2:6what you wrote, makes no sense.
Try to look at it from the perspective of the dying Thief on the Cross who was not water baptized.
Or, try to see it from the pov of anyone who understands that its the Blood of Jesus, and not the water that deals with sin.
We've explained this, Bob. When a person leaves the water, he has to go UP onto the land.
I'm not sure what point you had in mind to make with that information, but baptisms were not performed at the river's deepest point .
Came up "out of the water" and "much water" is not how one describes "dip a cup in water and sprinkle it on someone's head".
This is the easy part.
So...are you claiming that "much water" means immersion? That doesn't really follow logically, since you don't need an ocean in order to baptize by immersion.
But we also know where it was that the event you are referring to was located. It is a region that has a lot of shallow ponds.
So when the comment was made about "much water," it doesn't refer to the depth of any body of water, but to the fact that they--the evangelist and the candidate--certainly were not at a loss for having enough water with which to perform the baptisms of his entire household (as we are also told in that passage)!
Jordan River: " only about 100 feet wide at its broadest spot, and maybe 17 feet at its deepest point,"
Certainly not at the 17 foot point - but one would only need about 3 or 4 feet to do full immersion baptism and a river that is up to 17 feet deep in the middle at places will have other places near shore that are more like 3 or 4 feet deep.
By contrast - John simply dipping a cup in water and sprinkling it on someone's head who is standing near the Jordan - does not need all that "come up out of the water" language. And it has already been explained as you say.
No, it doesn't.Your post said there was not enough water for immersion
We've explained this, Bob. When a person leaves the water, he has to go UP onto the land.
Most Christian denominations--Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. etc.--DON'T baptize by "sprinkling." At least not normally.
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