How can this be so?

[pletho]

I don't see how I could be misunderstanding since I have only let scripture speak for itself. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." and "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" are very clear passages.

It is an interesting technicality that you've come up with though. Jesus is not a mere man that He should lie so I don't see how that contradicts the scripture you referenced.

You are not readingh first John correctly, It says the Word was in the beginning not Jesus Christ, you say that The Word is Jesus Christ. God's Word is God's Word, Jesus Christ was God's Word living in the practicality of life making know the invisible God, God's Word is as much God as Your words are you, do you see the difference. Bless

 

[pletho]

At least now we know where you are coming from. And now is time for me to shut up. Have a good journey.

I find it very interesting that people ignore the simple Word and stick to what they have been taught even if it crosses the logic of the Word, that's man for you, blind leading the blind and they both fall into a ditch. There are no denominations in the bible only believers of God and Hiis SON Jesus Christ and those who believe contrary to what they teach, thus denominations spring up all over the place.

 

[GregoryTurner]

interesting...

 

[icxn]

I find it very interesting that people ignore the simple Word and stick to what they have been taught even if it crosses the logic of the Word, that's man for you, blind leading the blind and they both fall into a ditch. There are no denominations in the bible only believers of God and Hiis SON Jesus Christ and those who believe contrary to what they teach, thus denominations spring up all over the place.

Pletho plathoi plithous.

Πλίθο, πλάθει πλίνθους.

 

[pletho]

Pletho plathoi plithous.

Πλίθο, πλάθοι πλίνθους.

It's a biblical word, translated filled in the KJV meaning filled to overflowing, used in context in the Word of those who are filled to overflowing with the holy spirit, walking with the power of God and the Word of God in their hearts, In case you were curious, Bless steve

 

[icxn]

It's a biblical word, translated filled in the KJV meaning filled to overflowing, used in context in the Word of those who are filled to overflowing with the holy spirit, walking with the power of God and the Word of God their hearts, In case you were curious, Bless steve

I was making fun, or is it call a pun, of what you said and your name, but since you do not know Greek and missed the pun, we can call it no harm done. Hey I think this rhymes.

 

[GregoryTurner]

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

???

g

 

[pletho]

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

???

g

Hello gregory, that a good verse but I'm sure that you probably didn't know that that verse in the bible is not in any of the early manuscripts of the bible and was added later, the words added begin in verse 7 with "in heaven" and go to "in earth" in verse 8 they are not in any early manuscripts of the greek text before the sixteenth century, first appearing in the latin copies, this crept into the english translation by scribes putting them in to corrupt the original texts with the teachings of one Irenaeus (2nd century) Tertullian early third century, who was the first person to use the Word trinity in regards to father son and holy spirit and others which i wont bore you with. See a logical explanation it's always that simple you may need to do some studying to see if I'm right but if you do you will see that I'm right. Bless Steve

 

[Montanaman]

Ah, sola scriptura, you're always the life of the party!

 

[icxn]

I'd rather know God than the symantics of greek. understanding greek words is just a means to an end, even spelling them right doesn't matter becasue every one spells many of them differently, how stupid to laugh at that I laugh at one who believes that Jesus is God, not really because it's not a good state mentally to be in , it's idolotry, God is ONE God not three in One, that's what's wrong with Christianity socalled to day everybody worshipping Jesus, not God the Father of our lord Jesus Christ, the creator of the heavens and earth. Because some emporer along time ago Constantine i believe shoved it down the throats of the Christian bishops of his day and if they didn't agree he chopped their heads off, thats religion for you, epecially the Catholic church, that's historicall and Known in the Catholic chuch, also read the catholic Encyclopedias they openly admit it, God's word holds a distant thrird to traditions of the chrurch and the leader of that church as if anyone has the right to magnify himself above the almighty God and his Word, what ego people have, lack of humility, traditions of men like Jesus Christ stated in the Gospels are what make the Word of God of none effect. Unless they took that verse out of your bible also. which the catholic church believes it has a right to do, add to, change, delete, omitt whatever it feels is best. Not meaning to insult you if your catholic it's the teachings and methods the error that just blows my mind.

I'm not a Roman Catholic but I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. In fact it was a Saint, a shepherd and a bishop from Cyprus, born about 20 miles from my home - his village, Trimythous, is still there to this day - that proved it with a miracle:

According to the witness of Church historians, St. Spyridon participated in the sessions of the First Ecumenical Council in the year 325. At the Council, the saint entered into a dispute with a Greek philosopher who was defending the Arian heresy. The plain direct speaking of St. Spyridon showed everyone the impotence of human wisdom before the divine Wisdom: "Listen, philosopher, to what I tell you. There is one God Who created man from dust. He has ordered all things, both visible and invisible, by His Word and His Spirit. The Word is the Son of God, Who came down upon the earth on account of our sins. He was born of a Virgin, He lived among men, and suffered and died for our salvation, and then He arose from the dead, and He has resurrected the human race with Him. We believe that He is One in Essence with the Father, and equal to Him in authority and honor. We believe this without any sly rationalizations, for it is impossible to grasp this mystery by human reason."

As a result of their discussion, the opponent of Christianity became the saint's zealous defender and later accepted holy Baptism. And after his conversation with St. Spyridon, turning towards his companions, the philosopher said: "Listen! Until now my rivals have presented their arguments, and I was able to refute their proofs with other proofs. But instead of proofs from reason, the words of this elder are filled with some sort of special power, and no one can refute them, since it is impossible that man can oppose God. If any of you thinks as I do now, let him believe in Christ and join me in following this man, through whose lips God Himself speaks."

At this Council, St. Spyridon displayed the unity of the Holy Trinity in a remarkable way. He took a brick in his hand and squeezed it. At that instant fire shot up from it, water dripped on the ground, and only dust remained in the hands of the wonderworker. "There was only one brick," St. Spyridon said, "but it was composed of three elements. In the Holy Trinity there are three Persons, but only one God." (More about his life...)

 

[GregoryTurner]

Hello gregory, that a good verse but I'm sure that you probably didn't know that that verse in the bible is not in any of the early manuscripts of the bible and was added later, the words added begin in verse 7 with "in heaven" and go to "in earth" in verse 8 they are not in any early manuscripts of the greek text before the sixteenth century, first appearing in the latin copies, this crept into the english translation by scribes putting them in to corrupt the original texts with the teachings of one Irenaeus (2nd century) Tertullian early third century, who was the first person to use the Word trinity in regards to father son and holy spirit and others which i wont bore you with. See a logical explanation it's always that simple you may need to do some studying to see if I'm right but if you do you will see that I'm right. Bless Steve

Actually I read that in that wiki pedia thing. It has to hold some merit somewhere I would think.

 

[pletho]

I'm not a Roman Catholic but I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. In fact it was a Saint, a shepherd and a bishop from Cyprus, born about 20 miles from my home - his village, Trimythous, is still there to this day - that proved it with a miracle:

Miracles, experiences, ect have to line up with the Word because they that do not know the Word will fall prey to lying signs and wonders done by guess who? So the Written Word and what it says is to be adhered to above experiences, experiences come and go but the Word of God liveth and abideth forever.... Sure people have experienced things in this life, for instance joseph smith of the mormons experienced and got revelation from and angel called moroni or along that name, but in the bible it says thou we or an angel preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached dont' believe it, that's the paraphrased version, that tells you that a angel preaching another gospel similar but not the same about Jesus Christ can't be the true Gospel, Pauls Gospel was God the father and the lord Jesus Christ, two seperate individuals, but united in purpose, it's all over Word in the Gospels Epistles Ect.. they were one in purpose, unified working together, not in person, like the trinity teaches, . it also says that we are to be one with God, would that make us God also? Not. So just because you experienced it doesn't mean it's true, it happened I'm pretty sure because the devil has alot of power, he was the angel of light, he knows alot about deceiving men, he's been doing it since adam and Eve. Any power or miracle or phonomena that crosses God's Word be not so trusting. Here again we get to the problem with man they trust other things above what the word says is truth.. common to man. the Word of God is our only basis of discerning truth from error, right from wrong, light from darkness, and peoples lack of respect for it is not good, I'm not implying you lack respect, God knoweth, the couterfeit of any thing can only be known if you know the genuine well. the rightly divided WORD OF GOD

 

[pletho]

Actually I read that in that wiki pedia thing. It has to hold some merit somewhere I would think.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WIKI THING IS BUT NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, EVEN MYSELF, IT HAS TO LINE UP WITH TRUTH, THAT VERSE WAS ADDED BY MEN INTO THE BIBLE HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER SO THAT THOSE WHO TEACH THAT DOCTRINE WOULD HAVE SOME PLACE TO GO IN THE BIBLE TO BACK UP THEIR BELIEFS, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER FORGERIES IN THE WORD ALSO BUT THE AVERAGE BIBLE STUDENT WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM UNLESS HE DID RESEARCH, NO BIG DEAL THOUGH. LEARNING IS A PROCESS OF LEARNING AND UNLEARNING, STUDYING, RESEARCHING, BRINGING EVERYTHING BACK TO THE WORD. MISUNDERSTANDING'S ARE EITHER WRONG TRANSLATIONS, NOT READING THE CONTEXT, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE WORDS USED IN THE BIBLE, AND OFTEN IN OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, WE AT TIMES READ INTO THE WORD INSTEAD OF JUST LETTING THE WORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF.... bLESS

 

[Zeena]

So..

Not only do you not believe Jesus is God, but now, as well, that the canon of Scripture is false?

What do you stand on when you have no legs?

 

[pletho]

So..

Not only do you not believe Jesus is God, but now, as well, that the canon of Scripture is false?

What do you stand on when you have no legs?

The canon of the scriptures is the order, I'm talking about the manuscripts, any one that knows a hill of beans about research knows that there are different greek manuscripts aramaic and so on snd some are older than others the older the manuscript usually the more accurate and reliable, and when changes show up in the manuscripts 16 centuries later that contradict all the other manuscripts regarding the same subject something has to be fishy going on, ect... Love In Christ, Steve

 

[GraceInHim]

Closing thread - under review