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Yes we all inherited Adam’s sinful nature but we all had the same choice he did, to sin or to obey.
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No. You are a sinner because you are a descendant of Adam after he allowed sin in. Every man is born with the sin nature. That is why you must be born again. Read John 3.
You added the word "forced". Not me.
...But this is a conversation about why we won't desire the pleasures of sinfulness in heaven! And that is because our bodies, will rise from the dead "rebuilt", without the attachments of original sin (sin nature). And so there will be no desire for sin from within! Also, there will be no surrounding influences from the environment of heaven. Sin does not exist there!
I think while we would have free choice and a theoretical possibility of sinning, we wouldn't, for a number of reasons:
- Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God would be so close and manifest to us that we wouldn't want any other substitute to a close relationship with them. John 17:3 The fact that we would know God so personally is eternal life, and we wouldn't want it any other way. There are a few definitions of sin, but it basically comes down to not doing God's will. If we can see and talk to him face-to-face everyday, God's will for us would be plain.
- There would be such community in Heaven - no more evil people and no more fear of being hurt by others
- The Devil & his cohorts would be in the Lake of Fire
- Our bodies would be spiritual, and the sinful flesh is no more
- I believe we will have work and hobbies in Heaven too, but the work won't be with toil and sweat.
I have to say again there is nowhere in scripture does it say Adam and Eve were created perfect - just like it's nowhere in Scripture that Cain married his sister - now that is an assumption and of teachings of most men throughout generations also.
So we lose our natural instincts?
Not according to Peter.
2 Peter 1:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
IT is according to scripture when it comes to Lev 11.
2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘These are the creatures which you may eat from all the animals that are on the earth.
2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat
29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
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And how does simply waiting until evening remove the "health hazard" of touching an unclean animal?39 ‘And if any animal which you may eat dies, he who touches its carcass shall be unclean until evening.
39 ‘Also if one of the animals dies which you have for food, the one who touches its carcass becomes unclean until evening
46 ‘This is the law of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’ ”
46 This is the law regarding the animal and the bird, and every living thing that moves in the waters and everything that swarms on the earth, 47 to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between the edible creature and the creature which is not to be eaten.
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In Lev 11 even a clean animal is "not to be eaten" if it dies of itself and you simply come upon the carcass
Not according to Ephesians 2:3, Romans 5:18.Yeah what did you expect? Did you expect them to sin before they were created?
Of course they were created sinless, everyone is.
“but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.””
Genesis 2:17 NASB1995
“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.”
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 NASB1995
"Without sin" is perfection.Neither of these mention anything about Adam & Eve being created perfect. Not in the sense that they couldn’t sin. They were created having never sinned before because it’s pretty impossible to sin before your created.
Not according to Ephesians 2:3, Romans 5:18.
Not according to Ephesians 2:3, Romans 5:18.
And how does simply waiting until evening remove the "health hazard" of touching an unclean animal?
Yeah well, as much as the Holy Spirit moves through Peter, he is also a man, and not perfect.
But as Peter did not load the gentiles with the Kosher dietary laws (aside from strangled things or blood), and Paul says that all creatures are good and nothing to be refused if received in thanksgiving, sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.
So I think he understood God's making all animals clean vision later.
Gotta remember, Peter was Jewish, and the idea of God letting people eat swine was a repulsive idea he'd at first reject. But Peter stopped trying to Judaize the gentiles with all the Jewish laws.
Gotta remember, Peter was Jewish, and the idea of God letting people eat swine was a repulsive idea he'd at first reject.
Because the clean animal (in this case) that "dies of itself" (and so is deemed unclean ) is not radio active - rather it just has some bad bacteria etc that needs to be washed off and die --- when it comes to what might still be on your skin or clothes.
That's the health issue.
By contrast - notice that the text does not say you can eat a rat, cat or bat -- then wait until evening and it won't do you any harm.
Actually, rat is quite delicious. I will gladly take my chances eating a well-cooked wild rat
In all honesty, the Old Testament is not a scientific manual.
In all honesty it is scripture, inspired by God according to 2 Tim 3:15-16. And as it turns out "God" does not need to attend one of mankind's "science" classes to know a thing or two about what is or is not fact.
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