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Isn't it more like think anyway they want? We are all enslaved in some way, be it physically or financially. The adversary's system today is even demanding we not think freely anymore but only listen to our so called leaders. That is true enslavement.It would be like saying that a person who is enslaved for life to another person has the freedom to do anything he desires.
Isn't it more like think anyway they want? We are all enslaved in some way, be it physically or financially. The adversary's system today is even demanding we not think freely anymore but only listen to our so called leaders. That is true enslavement.
Well we all still have the option to put God's will ahead of theirs, even if it leads to martyrdom (for God, not a religion) from bucking the system of man and the Adversary as the end of days indicates.(although not as big as when Eve and Adam bucked God's system but significant in gesture) We win in the end.we still deeply desire to perceive them as being free.
Well we all have the option to put God's will ahead of theirs, even if it leads to martyrdom from bucking the system. We win in the end.
Having a will is what I think we agree on. How freely that will can be exercised is open to question. If one's will is, indeed, free, but one is constrained from exercising it entirely, then it is really useless to consider it to be free. It would be like saying that a person who is enslaved for life to another person has the freedom to do anything he desires.
Free will at its core is just the ability to form thoughts and make decisions, being conscious of your existence and circumstances and able to have an opinion and make decisions based on it, consciously, not just obeying instincts/drives.
Having a natural/instinctive drive to eat, you eat, but having a will, will be able to make other decisions. You may decide you're not that hungry and skip eating, such as dieting or fasting, or maybe you plan to do an activity where eating right before it is a bad idea, like swimming. You also make a decision on what to eat, or at the bare minimum, what you would like to eat, if you do not have the circumstances to eat what you wish.
Being in circumstances where you can't have what you want doesn't mean your will isn't free.
Being in circumstances where there will be penalty for doing what you want doesn't mean your will isn't free. You still formed the idea and decision independently.
Therefore a free will
Free will person gets offered fruit, and thinks internally "I'd prefer a steak", they may still take the fruit and eat it, but they have thoughts regarding it.
No free will doesn't even think about it, and just eats the fruit offered, because of the natural drive to eat. They don't even have thoughts about what they'd rather have, or whether they should eat it or not.
Just natural drive, hunger, offered food, eat.
We have obviously different definitions of "free will".
Did Jesus not have a choice to obey only the will of the Father? Where would be the test if not so?
The option was there, and like with the examples you gave, human instinct is directed to self, and Jesus acknowledged it but did not act on it. He first asked if God's will would allow the option but He was open to accepting whatever God's will was. Man as a rule doesn't wait for God's answer but bails of our own accord to fulfil self interest.That is a good question. Jesus said it was the same as murdering someone to be angry at someone, and the same as adultery to look on a woman with lust. Therefore if Jesus was praying for God to not make Him go to the cross, how was it not the same as disobeying the will to go to the cross since His own human will wanted to not obey?
I think this is basically accurate. If we were in a place where there was no satanic activity, and no curse, what would be prompting us to sin?There won't be any evil, either from our own bodies, or from the world, to steer us wrong. The snake is in hell.
We don't sin because our soul wants to here on earth, we do it because our hsuman brains are dysfunctional.
Yet even God said they know good and evil. That is why they said we became gods like them, but we have the burden of fleshy animal instinct thrown into the mix to complicate things.I think this is basically accurate. If we were in a place where there was no satanic activity, and no curse, what would be prompting us to sin?
Yet even God said they know good and evil. That is why they said we became gods like them, but we have the burden of fleshy animal instinct thrown into the mix to complicate things.
The option was there, and like with the examples you gave, human instinct is directed to self, and Jesus acknowledged it but did not act on it. He first asked if God's will would allow the option but He was open to accepting whatever God's will was. Man as a rule doesn't wait for God's answer but bails of our own accord to fulfil self interest.
I am saying once we think it we have done it simply means thinking it shows we have the capability thus the will to do so whether we carry through or not. Jesus was explaining our dual nature, flesh instinct and will of God.Right but in the sermon on the Mount, Jesus was elevating the standard at which we are held accountable to our own thoughts, even if we don't act on them.
They do but unlike only us they have no concept of it. No one told them.
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