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Have you now decided to enguage in a civil conversation without the snottiness?I'm sure you got that definition from the Bible. Can you list the verses?
Look who is calling someone a liar and saying they are snotty? You are as snotty as I am. I talk nice and you still call me a liar.Have you now decided to enguage in a civil conversation without the snottiness?
I certainly have an answer which I could and would provide for you. But you have pretty much burned all of your bridges with your direct lies and your refusals to apologize for them.
I'm still waiting for those verses, unless they don't exist.Have you now decided to enguage in a civil conversation without the snottiness?
I certainly have an answer which I could and would provide for you. But you have pretty much burned all of your bridges with your direct lies and your refusals to apologize for them.
I'm still waiting for your apologies for lying about the beliefs of Calvinists and me.I'm still waiting for those verses, unless they don't exist.
Your the accuser of the brethren. Your words speak LOUDLY.I'm still waiting for your apologies for lying about the beliefs of Calvinists and me.
But I'm sure you know that well and are just playing more of your games.
We'll just let it go at that. It would be best if you just let me talk to whomever I was talking to before you interrupted. - unless of course you have a snotty reply or two you'd like to leave me with.
You have to buy/get a membership to get rid of the ads.I'm new and feeling depressed can anyone message me also why is there so many ads... sigh
hi thanksYou have to buy/get a membership to get rid of the ads.
Don't be depressed, just start talking and you'll fit right in. Welcome to CF
As we are told in the scriptures and as you were just told here - predestination pertains to the beginning of time as we know it.
God's omniscience or knowing it "inherently within Himself" (which is certainly true) is a different paradigm from the one in which we live of which we know very little.
The only bearing it has on the subject of predestination of what we do in time as we know it is to show that God always knew every possibility that He could do as well as what He would actually do.
We know that He knows all other possibilities which could occur because He has given us numerous examples of them both in the O.T. and the N.T.
He is the one who chooses and decrees what He will do and when and, as a consequence, what will occur as a result of that action and when.
For what it's worth also - there is no "world where time exists outside of where God exists. He is infinite and omnipresent.
I'm not sure what that means.
And you know this how?
Things are said to happen sequentially in Heaven as well as on earth. That includes the actions we see God doing. He sings to Himself and to His creation and He hears praise and receives praise.
Time is the evidence of motion.
God "speaks". He "sends forth" His Word showing sequence of motion and corrosponding time.
The idea that God does not experience time is a fabrication of the anti predestination folks. He undoubtedly experiences it differently than we do in this fallen world. But to say that He does not experience it is something that you will not find inhe Word of God.
Besides that - it simply isn't true that God is not in time. God is everywhere.
It is certainly true that He transcends the universe. But it is also true that He is immanent everywhere within it as well.
That simply isn't true. It may sound good to you and it may allow for your theories. But it is not true.
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." Matthew 11:21
"And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day." Matthew 11:23
Other examples on request.
Predestination or decreeing that something will happen is the sending forth of His Word to accomplish everything He intends to accomplish.
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:10-11
We live and move and have our being in His Word. Everything in existence was created and is being sustained by His Word.
What Bible have you been reading?
By the way --- it has always perplexed me and I have asked you about it many times before. How is it that you can reconcile scriptures which say that believers have will never again come into condemnation with what you preach concerning them coming into that condemnation again.
I've wondered aloud how it is that believers can be seated with Him in Heaven and ruling with Him from His throne and yet be condemned to Hell at the same time.
I now have an inkling as to how you think. You apparently believe that we exist saved and unsaved at the same "time" and indeed "eternally" live our lives in God's mind without God's decree going forth that we so exist and live our lives in time.
It explains a lot.
But seeing your record in partaking in dialog that makes any sense and in preaching another gospel if given half a chance to do so ----- I will try to just leave off with you again for now.
The creation of the world and man is a defined moment in time.Thanks. Yes, there is nothing which He does not know, ever!
I must ask, if God has always known what will happen, when did He predestine what will happen? Before knowing or after knowing? I see that either God is not omniscient (predestination before knowing), or His omniscience is uncertain (predestination after knowing).
I will go back this afternoon and read what you wrote and come back and talk to you. Chin up, you are Christ's Kid. No matter how alone we feel, He is always with us. God's Word tells us that "He will never leave us or forsake us"hi thanks. It's more of a life situation here. Don't know how to help myself atm..would appreciate it if you or anyone reading this would take the time to see my story in "introductions" thread. I'm tired...
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