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I'm not going to play your games. I read the previous 15 pages and have a good idea that you are wrong and Marvin Knox is right. I'll let you ramble with someone else.Why don't you actually read chapter 18? You don't even know what it says.
In the meantime, enjoy your sour grapes.
I'm not going to play your games. I read the previous 15 pages and have a good idea that you are wrong and Marvin Knox is right. I'll let you ramble with someone else.
No.Is the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?
Prayer.What enables some men to receive the grace of God unto salvation?
Sin. (hanging onto it instead of giving it up)OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?
From all we know Lucifer was perfect from his creation. He went through no stages to achieve that status.What stages did God go through in the creation of a "perfect Lucifer"?
the word for perfect has many definitions and can mean mature, fully grown, complete, made one from being apart, so does this "perfect" mean the same as perfect when used to describe Christ?
Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."Say what? The condition of the vessel depends on the actions of the vessel. Your lack of knowing what the Bible says is very concerning. You should know what the Bible says before opening your mouth. Tell us what is it about Jeremiah 18 that you do not understand?.........................
Do you not see that those who turn from evil will be vessels of honor, and those who do evil will be vessels of dishonor? Say what? God DID NOT make us a curse! Now you are impugning the Creator! What is it with these man-made doctrines?
Those verses have absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine of original sin.Get to know Deuteronomy 11:26-29 before you open your mouth.
Get to know Deuteronomy 27:1-1-26 before you pretend to know God's ways.
That passage has absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine of original sin.Numbers 23:8
How shall I curse whom God has not cursed? And how shall I denounce whom the Lord has not denounced?
Read this! God did not make them under a curse! Curses come from sin and evil, not that sin and evil come from curses!
I have read it and it has absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine of original sin.Again, read Deuteronomy 27 to see what brings you under God's curse.
Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
Psalm 139:13 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb."
That passage has absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine of original sin.
I have read it and it has absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine of original sin.
There is obviously no cohesiveness to your theology what-so-ever.
You just bounce around and use whatever suits your fancy and ignore what does not.
You are so far off the tracks there is no way that a teacher of the Word of God can possible find common ground on which to meet with you.
You are either a fool or a few bricks short of a full load.
That will do it for now.
God desiring that we do "good" stuff that will help us is not fulfilling a "need" God has, but a need we have.YHWH says HE desires obedience and not sacrifice, or more than sacrifice.
ALSO WILLINGNESS. Everyone who seeks YHWH must believe that HE EXISTS, and that HE REWARDS everyone
WHO WILLINGLY SEEKS HIM.
YHWH says without FAITH it is impossible to please YHWH.
FAITH is an active trusting relying on HIM, not sit and think "I believe.... I believe..... I believe...... I believe..... " as if the mind could produce faith.
Simplest answer no.
But YHWH turns EVERYTHING, works ALL THINGS (good and bad) out - orchestrates everything together for good for those who love HIM and are called according to HIS PURPOSE.
Why do you have an earthly objective ? What is it ?
God desiring that we do "good" stuff that will help us is not fulfilling a "need" God has, but a need we have.
see HIS WORD.God is not trying to “get” something from man (man cannot “provide” anything for God)
Think about [Understand] this, you who forget God.YHWH says HE desires obedience and not sacrifice
This truth sailed over many people's heads!Yet, bling explicitly said that he does not believe in original sin. There is, therefore, no specific moment where sin took place and brought God's curse. Sin, in bling's comment, is an evolution of mankind's construct over time.
Grace would, in that situation, not be needed at all. We could simply deconstruct what constitutes as sin at our own convenience.
Not believing in original sin creates a myriad of theological problems.
I said specifically in post 1530: "Adam and Eve were the first humans to sin, what I am talking about is the doctrine of "Original Sin".Why do you deny that Adam and Eve's sin was the original sin?
Do you want examples ?how does man not bring glory to God?
Do you see these "desires" of God as something fulfilling some "need" God has?What was your question though. Not what YHWH needs.
see HIS WORD.
Think about [Understand] this, you who forget God.
Otherwise, I will tear you apart,
and no one will ·save [protect] you.
23 Those people ·honor [glorify] me
who bring me ·offerings to show thanks [thank offerings; v. 14].
And I, God, will save those who ·do that [L go on my way/path].”
Expanded Bible (EXB)
Good. Thank you.how does man not bring glory to God?
all the doctrine associated around this sin.
I did not see originally why are you concerned withDo you see these "desires" of God as something fulfilling some "need" God has?
Really ? A lot of people, most in fact, can't , or won't.You can do it in light of 1 Cor. 13:1-3.
This truth sailed over many people's heads!
Why is grace necessary? Man is sinless...some povs allege
How can man be sinless? He works really really hard at holiness.
It has also been stated in some povs that grace is awarded to the humble.
Remember the comment about Noah "finding" grace/favor with God?
Now we know why some povs say grace can be resisted.
Grace is resisted when it is never created. Grace is "manufactured".
God gives grace to the humble. So only those able to humble themselves have grace?
Kinda throws out the whole unmerited, undeserving aspect of grace-
So then, some actually deserve grace because they are so doggone humble!
It helps us and helps others, but God is God and He always does what is best for those that will accept His help.Doing good to others is fulfilling a need others have.
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