How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[MamaZ]

God has spoken.
We can now close the thread

He sure did. For He cried out it is finished.

 

[Annolennar]

Thank you MamaZ. Now I will show you an earlier post of mine:

So, that proves that the following post is an out-and-out lie:

katholikos, I suspect its a fruitless pursuit to try to answer his question as no matter how you answer he can simply redefine his definition of the "Gospel" (which, lets face it, is a term that can be used in many different ways) in such a way that he can declare you wrong or incapable of answering.

If he is truly interested in helping/edifying people, and not just tooting his own horn, he can actively present what the Gospel is, instead of just lording it over everyone how special he is because he's the only one who really knows.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Ah yes. Agreeing with you...

Stop right there. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. Everything after this statement is a strawman.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Stop right there. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. Everything after this statement is a strawman.

There are no strawmen allowed in this thread!!!!

 

[MamaZ]

What more to salvation does man need other than Christ? For He alone has the power to save man.

 

[Hentenza]

After reading through the last 8 pages of this thread I have a prediction.

We don't have a chance in hell of theologically uniting.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

katholikos, I suspect its a fruitless pursuit to try to answer his question as no matter how you answer he can simply redefine his definition of the "Gospel" (which, lets face it, is a term that can be used in many different ways) in such a way that he can declare you wrong or incapable of answering.

Not at all. I'm not playing games. I'm not here to try to trick anyone or to trap them into giving me a pre-planned answer. I just want a Catholic to explain to me, pretending that I am an unsaved person, how I can be saved.

If he is truly interested in helping/edifying people, and not just tooting his own horn...

Which I have not done at all, by the way.

he can actively present what the Gospel is, instead of just lording it over everyone how special he is because he's the only one who really knows.

First of all, I never said that I'm the only one who knows what the Gospel is. I said that Catholics cannot articulate the Gospel and, so far, the only Catholic who's responded has proven that to be an accurate statement.

Second, I've already stated twice now that I will explain what the Gospel is as soon as I get a couple of answers from Catholics.

I want to know what they think the Gospel is. I don't want their answers to be influenced by my answer.

 

[Musa80]

I find it highly ironic that JohnDeereFan thinks Catholics ( and I presume us Orthodox as well) are not real Christians. Endlessly will some protestants complain that the Catholic Church condemns them all to hell for not being Catholic, and yet following this logical train wreck he himself condemns to hell all Christians for 1500+ years after the time of Christ. I don't personally have anything against protestants, heck my mom is a Baptist, but this "you're not a Christian" and "you don't know the Gospel" nonsense is outright lunacy.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I want to know what they think the Gospel is. I don't want their answers to be influenced by my answer.

Perhaps we need a thread on "What is the Gospel"?

1 Corin 9:16 For ifever I may be well-messagizing/euaggelizwmai <2097> (5735) not it is to me a boast, for necessity of me is lying on. For woe! to me it is ifever no I should well-messagizing/euaggelizwmai <2097> (5735).


Reve 14:6 And I saw another Messenger flying in mid-heaven having well-message/euaggelion <2098> age-abiding to well-messagize/euaggelisai <2097> (5658) the ones sitting/*dwelling upon the land and *upon every nation and tribe and tongue and people

 

[ARBITER01]

After reading through the last 8 pages of this thread I have a prediction.

We don't have a chance in hell of theologically uniting.

Ahhhh, the light doth shine!

Let GOD bring about unity out of those that HE sees fit to join onto the many membered body, really it's not our job to do anyways.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I find it highly ironic that JohnDeereFan thinks Catholics ( and I presume us Orthodox as well) are not real Christians. Endlessly will some protestants complain that the Catholic Church condemns them all to hell for not being Catholic, and yet following this logical train wreck he himself condemns to hell all Christians for 1500+ years after the time of Christ.

Nope. Never said that.

I don't personally have anything against protestants, heck my mom is a Baptist, but this "you're not a Christian" and "you don't know the Gospel" nonsense is outright lunacy.

Again, prove me wrong: find me a Catholic who can explain the Gospel.

 

[Markus6]

Oh that's right - I forgot to mention liberalisms love of relativism.
(which is failed & circular).
My interpretation may not be your interpretation -

Sorry if we can't know what truth of God is (unto salvation), then how did Jesus tell us how to spot wolves & heretics & false teachers?
According to this relativistic religious view we're all to carry (ie. value
others interpretations no matter HOW wacked & contrary they are
to obvious meaning), you CANNOT POSSIBLY IDENTIFY WHO'S A FALSE
TEACHER OR WOLF becuz you have to "value their differences" of interpretation.
Even when they digress into full blown heresies & immorality.

Sorry, that's another liberalistic view that should be rejected becuz
it counter's scripture teaching on being able to IDENTIFY the false.
Meaning, you CAN & should know what's true within the bible to be
able to use proper discernment, to learn what is true AND teach what is true.

2 Peter 3:15-16
just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures,
to their own destruction.

Nice rant. Shame it had nothing to do with what I said and more to do with your own stereotypes of those who don't completely agree with you.

Being born again does not require having the perfect interpretation of every passage of the bible and the correct theology. There will always be theological and interpretative debates. Sure there are minimum beliefs required for salvation but there are also many non-essentials that we need to have charity over. This is probably the crux of the whole issue. As a non-Conservative Christian I hold to the essentials and disagree with you on many of the non-essentials and yet you see fit to imply that I am not born again. Being born again has more to do with my heart and God's power than it does with my position on the full wealth of Christian doctrines. You don't even take the time to understand my beliefs but just take the fact that I don't self identify as "conservative" as proof that I am not born again. It is God's power in my life you are denying.

 

[Uphill Battle]

UB, I was a bit harsh to you in certain other threads that don't seem to exist on GT anymore, but you are generally making an effort to be respectful to all traditions and that is honorable. Forgive me if I might have offended you.

if there was offence, I remember it no more.

I was likely in the wrong anyways.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Nope. Never said that.

Again, prove me wrong: find me a Catholic who can explain the Gospel.

Find me a Protestant that can explain the Gospel

Gala 1:8 But also if-ever we or a messenger out of heaven should be well-messaging to ye beside which we well-messagizing to ye, anathema/anaqema <331> let him be.
9 As we have declared before and at present again I am saying if any is well-messagizing beside which ye beside got, anathema let him be.

Reve 22:3and every anathema/kat-anaqema <2652> not shall be still. And the throne of the God/YHWH and of the Lamb-kin/Word in Her shall be, and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him.

 

[katholikos]

After reading through the last 8 pages of this thread I have a prediction.

We don't have a chance in hell of theologically uniting.

I have a predfiction too: All the anti-Catholic flames that JohnDeereFan has posted will not be deleted, but I'm sure I will receive some sort of reprimand for some reason

 

[sunlover1]

I see a couple of options: must one agree with you in order to be born of the Spirit or if someone is born of the Spirit will the necessarily grow to agree with you?

See how easy that is?

Uh, what was that strawman particularly again? I really like my charges to contain specifics that I could engage with, if that's OK w/U?

Sorry Squint, Had to search through this see of craziness to find your
post.
Just because someone sees something different than you doesnt mean
they're 'condemning' their 'fellow man'.

After reading through the last 8 pages of this thread I have a prediction.

We don't have a chance in hell of theologically uniting.

Ya think?
The crazy thing is, why would we think we can? LOL.
Oil and water anyone?

Perhaps we need a thread on "What is the Gospel"?

Except it's so entertaining watching the banter here.
It SHOULD be a pretty easy answer, but I've discovered
over the years here that we (most of us) are big talkers
and dont even understand half the stuff we spout on.
(myself included)

 

[Musa80]

Nope. Never said that.

Did you not say that Catholics are unable to explain the Gospel? Until Mr. Luther's escapades the only Christians in existence were Roman Catholic and Orthodox. Were they all saved without the knowledge of the Gospel?

Again, prove me wrong: find me a Catholic who can explain the Gospel.

There are plenty. You have not the eyes to see or the ears to hear and I will NOT play your stupid, petty little game.

 

[simonthezealot]

The gospel is...
1 corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul added NOTHING to this...Here it is in its entirety...
And this is from Paul who was given forth to be the preacher of his gospel by direct revelation from Jesus the Christ.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I have a predfiction too: All the anti-Catholic flames that JohnDeereFan has posted will not be deleted, but I'm sure I will receive some sort of reprimand for some reason

If you feel that I've flamed anybody, then by all means, report me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have a predfiction too: All the anti-Catholic flames that JohnDeereFan has posted will not be deleted, but I'm sure I will receive some sort of reprimand for some reason

Report them to the MODS then