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Your church never had the unity you all claim to have not even from the early times...Get off your high horse and read history without the roman lens.I don't think that is in your interest.
You are further dividing the body of Christ.
Unity of Christians is only possible in the Church led by the keeper of the keys.
All other Churches will only lead to division because they are ruled by human wills.
Your church never had the unity you all claim to have not even from the early times...Get off your high horse and read history without the roman lens.
Good question. When an answer comes I will take off the location I have in my profileIndividuals disagree about where the Holy Spirit leads, which is why there are thousands of Churches led by bible believing Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.
Why don't they all agree with eachother?
...even amongst its own members.
Good question. When an answer comes I will take off the location I have in my profile
Genesis 11:4 And they are saying, "grant thou!, we shall build for us a City and a Tower/04026 migdal and top of it in heavens and we shall make for us a name, lest we are scattering over faces/surfaces all of the land.
Matt 21:33 Another parable hear ye! A certain Man was home-owner who-any plants a vineyard, and a barrier/fence to it places-about, and excavates in it a winepress and builds a TOWER and granted it to Farmers/Dressers and he travels. [Isaiah 5:1-3/Reve 14:20]
Why distort my post?
Here's what I said:
Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Is this possible outside of the Church?
Especially amongst its own members!(Obama got 53% of the Catholic vote, after all!)
I believe so, yes, as far as 'your determination' of what 'church' really is.
Umm, do the RCs read Revelation at all? Just curious.....It is not an option.
Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Makes me wonder how many of those Paul wrote to needed bifocals
It is not an option.
Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Right...Why we're their different canons long before the schism.Of course it does.
Your ignorance of Church doctrine is understandable and not uncommon.
How is this possible unless there is a single source for determing the truth with regard to faith and morals?
Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Can you give me an illustration as to how this could happen outside the Catholic Church?
Which in no way shape or form refers to the Roman Catholic Church. Please take the verses in context rather than from the typical RC apologetics. The fact is that we will continue to be theologically separated until the RC develops some humility and accepts those that are His as their own without the judgments. One first must look at oneself. If you want to see "unity" at work then OBOB is not a good example.
We are one in Christ, and we are of one mind and one spirit in Christ. Only Christ is the way.
You are incapable of analyzing my point rationally because of a deepseated bias against the Church.
Nope. No bias on my part. I love all of my RC brothers and sisters in Christ. Can you say the same?
Interesting that you choose to ignore one of the very points of disunity in your own church. Can you tell me how you can continue to make the claim of unity when you have a large population of RC that do not believe that abortion is murder?Tell me, how can a Christian be pro abortion if it is in fact the murder of innocent life? Are pro abortion Christians of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as pro life Christians? More to the point, are Churches that accept abortion of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as Christ?
BTW- I am pro-life.
Is God omnipotent and omnipresent? Does God still work within this world or is it only satan? Have you ever consider the possibility that the RC could have had a itty bitty hand in what you call divisions?Tell me, how can Christianity ever be unified if anyone can claim to be led by the Holy Spirit, start a Church, and then reject two thousand years of history and Christian tradition?
It is possible, Jesus wouldnt pray for the impossible, and besides, WithChristians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Will this ever be possible when everyone interprets the bible according to their own understanding?
It is possible, Jesus wouldnt pray for the impossible, and besides, With
God everything is possible.
Everyone interprets EVERYTHING with their own understanding.
Nope. No bias on my part. I love all of my RC brothers and sisters in Christ. Can you say the same?
This is a biased statement which you can't prove or even defend:
Which in no way shape or form refers to the Roman Catholic Church.
Interesting that you choose to ignore one of the very points of disunity in your own church. Can you tell me how you can continue to make the claim of unity when you have a large population of RC that do not believe that abortion is murder?
Individuals ignoring doctrine or truth has nothing to do with the unity of Church teaching with regard to doctrine and truth.
The Church teaching is not ambiguous.
Is God omnipotent and omnipresent? Does God still work within this world or is it only satan? Have you ever consider the possibility that the RC could have had a itty bitty hand in what you call divisions?
The Church admits as much.
Have you ever considered that unity in doctrine and truth is impossible outside the Catholic Church? If you claim it is possible, please tell me how this would come about.
FYI:
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin: Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272 819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
I just dont wear them in publicIt's only a 3 lloj. I'm in bifocal denial. Give a middle aged guy a break willya?
Keeper of the keys?I don't think that is in your interest.
You are further dividing the body of Christ.
Unity of Christians is only possible in the Church led by the keeper of the keys.
All other Churches will only lead to division because they are ruled by human wills.
Again, depends on your definition of 'church'.Why distort my post?
Here's what I said:
Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)
Is this possible outside of the Church?
You're making me squint, squint.Gracias, and a nod to Paul for providing such an easy to read precedent for middle aged near sighted people who need bifocals.
Because they're all at different levels of maturity, justIndividuals disagree about where the Holy Spirit leads, which is why there are thousands of Churches led by bible believing Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.
Why don't they all agree with eachother?
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