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John 6:53 "So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."
My request (actually more of a demand) has to include both sides. I see condemnation from both sides being a large stumbling block. No one has to agree with the other's position but we will stop flaming each other.
He just posted scripture and you dismissed it.
For the record I DENY the real presence of the Roman eucharistJohn 6:53 "So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."
"Nothing" means "nothing". It says that "nothing" can take you from God's hand.....
For the record I DENY the real presence of the Roman eucharist....
In 'your view' it was not apparent. To me it was VERY apparent and openly done right there in front of our eyes. Go back and look and you may readily see it.
You really should start your own "How can I ignorantly misrepresent the RCC positions and then attack them" thread.
Cool I read this in my morning reading today...
I see much more than you can imagine.In 'your view' it was not apparent. To me it was VERY apparent and openly done right there in front of our eyes. Go back and look and you may readily see it.
That is a very common FALLACY mask of the condemnation of other people.
"I'm not doing the condemning of them, BUT GOD IS..."
And to that I say, NO, it's what YOU THINK YOU SEE
...and in FACT IT IS what is IN YOU that is being reflected i.e. YOUR CONCLUSIONS as there are many other legitimate ways to see those same scriptures and come to completely different conclusions.
rofl
You really should start your own "How can I ignorantly misrepresent the RCC positions and then attack them" thread.
then it's an awful shame that you sound so very much like him, don't you think?Nope. Never said that. To the contrary, I've been a very vocal critic of Jack Chick.
Not going to happen. Your narrow vison of what the gospel is, will preclude anything they say as wrong.Put your money where your mouth is: find me a Catholic who can articulate the Gospel.
it says nothing can take you from it. It does not say you can't walk away."Nothing" means "nothing". It says that "nothing" can take you from God's hand.
Your a Roman Catholic and don't knowOkay. Since I don't know what a "Roman Eucharist" is I guess I won't argue with you
That this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.
Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........
The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).
Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.
then it's an awful shame that you sound so very much like him, don't you think?
Not going to happen. Your narrow vison of what the gospel is, will preclude anything they say as wrong.
it says nothing can take you from it. It does not say you can't walk away.
Your a Roman Catholic and don't know...
That's a good trick too. You seem to be quite good at that: making claims without backing them up. How about you show us the context and why his interpretation was wrong and what the interpretation should be?That's a good trick. Literally every one of these verses is out of context.
Yet you could not refute one of themThat's a good trick. Literally every one of these verses is out of context.
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