How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[chestertonrules]

That is an excellent suggestion. As one who has spent some time at the LDS forum here I can attest to the fact that there are more than a few similarities between the two universes,

One is primary, one is derivative.

Like protestantism, LDS takes the books and truths of the Catholic Church and adapts them to their needs.

Protestantism preserves much more of the truth, of course.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

One is primary, one is derivative.

Like protestantism, LDS takes the books and truths of the Catholic Church and adapts them to their needs.

Protestantism preserves much more of the truth, of course.

Aww shuckz.....thanks chester

 

[Rhamiel]

That is an excellent suggestion. As one who has spent some time at the LDS forum here I can attest to the fact that there are more than a few similarities between the two universes,

how so?

 

[sunlover1]

Are Billy Grahm, Pope Benedict, and Desmond Tutu all at different levels of maturity, or at different levels of truth?

The two go hand in hand. The more mature, deeper you are in your
walk the more truth God will reveal to you. But there are also other
things to consider, because obedience is key.

Jesus promised the disciples that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth

CERTAINLY! And we too have the Holy Spirit living in us now.
At that time Jesus promised them the Spirit, which would
lead them into all truth. This promise of the Spirit was to all
of those who are born again. He does "LEAD" us into truth.
Some of us dont necessarily 'follow' the leader... or really
even 'seek' the Leader.
(If you seek me with all of your heart, THEN you will find me)

It was a gift to bring us to Christian unity and salvation.
Why do you think Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom?

To bring the gospel of the kingdom to the gentiles.

That is good. I love my non Catholic relatives and friends and we are all part of the body of Christ, as are you and I.

Amen !! And i love you too CR.
May God bless you richly.

However, that doesn't mean we should stop seeking a fuller understanding of God's will in our lives

Amen and praise God.
Seek ye FIRST ... the KINGDOM of God.... and His RIGHEOUSNESS...
And THEN.... ALL... of 'these things' will be added unto you.
(Something I'm meditating on at the moment.)

I pray
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge
of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know
what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his
inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of his mighty power, which he wrought in Christ,
when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in
the heavenly places,http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50542763#_ftn2

 

[chestertonrules]

The two go hand in hand. The more mature, deeper you are in your
walk the more truth God will reveal to you. But there are also other
things to consider, because obedience is key.

CERTAINLY! And we too have the Holy Spirit living in us now.
At that time Jesus promised them the Spirit, which would
lead them into all truth. This promise of the Spirit was to all
of those who are born again.

The passage I am familiar with is specifically addressed to the disciples. There might be others, but I don't know of any blanket promise to believers that they will be led in truth if they reject the authority of the Church. Jesus distinguishes between the disciples and those who will believe through their message.(US!)




Amen !! And i love you too CR.
May God bless you richly.


Amen and praise God.
Seek ye FIRST ... the KINGDOM of God.... and His RIGHEOUSNESS...
And THEN.... ALL... of 'these things' will be added unto you.
(Something I'm meditating on at the moment.)

I pray
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge
of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know
what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his
inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of his mighty power, which he wrought in Christ,
when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in
the heavenly places,

Thank you!

 

[Rick Otto]

One way we could all reconcile is if we all had a common enemy. (as if we don't, lol)

 

[christianmomof3]

One way we could all reconcile is if we all had a common enemy. (as if we don't, lol)

I have a friend who used to be a Baptist preacher and he went into the military and was in a situation with combat. Prior to that he would argue about the differences in beliefs and practices with other Christian ministers. When they were in the military in combat, they did not argue about those things - they just prayed together.

 

[Musa80]

I have a friend who used to be a Baptist preacher and he went into the military and was in a situation with combat. Prior to that he would argue about the differences in beliefs and practices with other Christian ministers. When they were in the military in combat, they did not argue about those things - they just prayed together.

So there is the answer to the OP. We all just need to be shot at! I'll get the artillery ready.

 

[squint]

He is speaking of division between Christians and non Christians.

Sez you.

Keep reading:

Jesus Prays for His Disciples

Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

I have no issues with scriptures. I have no issues with having to run same through the RCC sifter as it's not gonna happen.

 

[Hentenza]

So there is the answer to the OP. We all just need to be shot at! I'll get the artillery ready.

LOL!!! It will come to that. Is called the tribulation.

 

[sunlover1]

The passage I am familiar with is specifically addressed to the disciples. There might be others, but I don't know of any blanket promise to believers that they will be led in truth if they reject the authority of the Church. Jesus distinguishes between the disciples and those who will believe through their message.(US!)

I can look for one, but I was just taking the entire counsel of God into
consideration when I said that.
It's simple logic. If WE have the Spirit of truth residing in our hearts,
He's not going to lead us into anything but truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

One way we could all reconcile is if we all had a common enemy. (as if we don't, lol)

know thy enemy.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XwfXVUL7mg&feature=related

 

[chestertonrules]

I can look for one, but I was just taking the entire counsel of God into
consideration when I said that.
It's simple logic. If WE have the Spirit of truth residing in our hearts,
He's not going to lead us into anything but truth.

That sounds reasonable on its face, but it is clearly not the case in reality.

Christians, as individuals, disagree about what the the Holy Spirit has revealed to them as true.

Where do we place the error?

IMO, the scriptures are clear that Jesus and the Holy Spirit will lead the Church into truth.

If you are fighting the Church, then you can't be confident that you have the truth.

Look at the evidence. There are thousands of protestant denominations.

Do any of these sincere people think that they are following deceptions?

 

[chestertonrules]

Sez you.



I have no issues with scriptures. I have no issues with having to run same through the RCC sifter as it's not gonna happen.

You can't seem to respond to any of my posts.

 

[sunlover1]

That sounds reasonable on its face, but it is clearly not the case in reality.

Christians, as individuals, disagree about what the the Holy Spirit has revealed to them as true.

Where do we place the error?

On the men naturally.

IMO, the scriptures are clear that Jesus and the Holy Spirit will lead the Church into truth.

I completely agree, that's what Jesus came to do after all.
Here's how I see it in my limited understanding:
He came to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God, which
was a "new" truth to those who had ears to hear.
Some... many, didnt WANT a new system because they
were doing so well in their 'old' carnal system.... counting
out their spice tithes and robbing the old folks etc.
The truth will set you free. God will LEAD us into truth,
just as He was leading THEM into truth, but they couldnt
recieve truth unless they gave up their first love ...
power and money. (IMO)

Look at the evidence. There are thousands of protestant denominations.

Do any of these sincere people think that they are following deceptions?

I agree, there probably are 'thousands'.
No I dont think that any of those sincere folks (and that includes me
and you too) think that they/we are following deception.
But seriously CR, those men were standing right in front of the GOD
of heaven and earth, ... and STILL were not understanding.
GOD LEADS US INTO TRUTH (we certainly both agree that He wouldnt
lead us into error) just as He (Jesus) was 'leading' THEM into truth
They (those who were standing in the very presence of God) did
not desire HIS truth, they liked their own.
Nothing new under the sun says the preacher man.

Blessings

 

[squint]

You can't seem to respond to any of my posts.

Communicating with others who are forced by their religious group to see their fellow believers as heretics is and will remain problematic. It's a darkness that comes with the territory of Word.

 

[MamaZ]

That sounds reasonable on its face, but it is clearly not the case in reality.

Christians, as individuals, disagree about what the the Holy Spirit has revealed to them as true.

Where do we place the error?

IMO, the scriptures are clear that Jesus and the Holy Spirit will lead the Church into truth.

If you are fighting the Church, then you can't be confident that you have the truth.

Look at the evidence. There are thousands of protestant denominations.

Do any of these sincere people think that they are following deceptions?

The church are the individual people. Therefore Christ leads all His people into truth. Through the annointing that is within them. It is these individual people that make up the body of Christ. Not just one who claims they are they only true church. Many claim that. Mormons, JW's CC EO and the list goes on. But the true church is those men woman and children that have the Spirit of Christ individually.

 

[chestertonrules]

I agree, there probably are 'thousands'.
No I dont think that any of those sincere folks (and that includes me
and you too) think that they/we are following deception.
But seriously CR, those men were standing right in front of the GOD
of heaven and earth, ... and STILL were not understanding.
GOD LEADS US INTO TRUTH (we certainly both agree that He wouldnt
lead us into error) just as He (Jesus) was 'leading' THEM into truth
They (those who were standing in the very presence of God) did
not desire HIS truth, they liked their own.
Nothing new under the sun says the preacher man.

Blessings

I believe that Jesus is leading the Church into truth. I believe that individual men are in error when they reach conclusions that are contradicted by the Church.

I believe that Christian unity is only possible in the Catholic Church, and I also believe that it will become a reality before Jesus returns.

It's beautiful. You have never experienced the presence of Jesus fully until you are in the presence of his body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist.



I have a request for you. Check your local Catholic Churches to find out when they offer Eucharistic adoration. Some parishes offer perpetual adoration, 24 hours a day.

This is a quiet prayer time where the consecrated host is exposed.

Try to schedule a time to attend an adoration service for a few minutes of prayer before the body and blood of Jesus.


Let me know if you feel the presence of Christ in a new way.

 

[chestertonrules]

The church are the individual people. Therefore Christ leads all His people into truth.

Then why do so many sincere Christians disagree about very central tenets of the faith?

The bible tells us that he will lead his disciples into all truth, not us.

We are instructed to listen to those he sent and to obey his commandments, which we learn from his disciples.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Why do Catholics disagree with each other then, Ches?