How can Priests/Pastors forgive sins?

[thecolorsblend]

So your church does not teach Purgatory any more, nor the mediator role of Mary? I am surprised.

I think you would be more surprised if you knew what she actually teaches about those things.

 

[Not David]

While a person has faith in Jesus, their sins are forgiven, period. As the bible says "where there is no law their is no transgression". And "You have been called to liberty, only don't use that as a excuse to sin, but in love serve one another".

A christian's sin is covered by the blood of Jesus. Yet internally the Holy Spirit keeps a Christian from sin, always drawing them away from their sins. There is no way a Christian can continue to willfully sin with out God gently correcting them, and moving them away from sin. With this inner witness, I continually move away from sin, I don't need man to tell me for God's internal witness changes me.

What need to I have to visit a priest when God acts on my behalf.

Also assuming you are a catholic, why would I ever set foot in a Catholic church, where you teach false doctrines like Purgatory, and using Mary as a mediator between man and Jesus. Your church is full of man made rules.

I might not agree with some Catholic doctrine but that comment sounds kind of aggressive toward a Christian church.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I might not agree with some Catholic doctrine but that comment sounds kind of aggressive toward a Christian church.

I've seen you agree with a fair number of our doctrines though.

 

[Not David]

I've seen you agree with a fair number of our doctrines though.

It might be because I'm going to an Orthodox Church.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I might not agree with some Catholic doctrine but that comment sounds kind of aggressive toward a Christian church.

The christian's job is to stand up for truth not to speak lies. If a church has even one lie in it it is time to leave and find a proper church.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The christian's job is to stand up for truth not to speak lies. If a church has even one lie in it it is time to leave and find a proper church.

When there is a disagreement we are supposed to hold council and discuss the differences with an appeal to scripture.

If reconciliation with scripture cannot be had, then and only then should a break occur.. and its a serious matter.

 

[Not David]

When there is a disagreement we are supposed to hold council and discuss the differences with an appeal to scripture.

If reconciliation with scripture cannot be had, then and only then should a break occur.. and its a serious matter.

Have you heard of the 7 Ecumenical Councils?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Have you heard of the 7 Ecumenical Councils?

Yes but i haven't delved very far into them..

There is a reason for that.. much of what I read seems very worldly, this pope didn't like that pope who didn't think this pope blah blah blah .

So caring all the whys and wherefore were rather.. I don't know just didn't seem important. Church history reads like a soap opera.

What was important to me was learning Scripture.

 

[Lost4words]

No sorry mate, I am not twisting anything. If you read the whole bible you see sins are forgiven by God, not man. God would never put the authority to forgive sins in mans hands, men have varying degrees of spiritual awareness, the apostles were granted a high level of awareness, but the average man "looks on the outward appearance", God looks on the heart. Churches are full of pastors and teachers who barely even know God (some standing up for SSM and the like), let alone have the ability to be granting, or denying forgiveness of sins.

Jesus gave authority. He sent out the Apostles to forgive in His name. This has carried on with Apostolic succession. You fail to see it or believe it. That's up to you.

 

[Not David]

Yes but i haven't delved very far into them..

There is a reason for that.. much of what I read seems very worldly, this pope didn't like that pope who didn't think this pope blah blah blah .

So caring all the whys and wherefore were rather.. I don't know just didn't seem important. Church history reads like a soap opera.

What was important to me was learning Scripture.

It wasn't only about the Pope. Orthodox who don't believe in Pope Supremacy and Infallibility participated too. They mostly defended the faith and the Divinity of Christ among other important stuff.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It wasn't only about the Pope. Orthodox who don't believe in Pope Supremacy and Infallibility participated too. They mostly defended the faith and the Divinity of Christ among other important stuff.

I know about the Nicene creed.. that's the one I'm through, understand and agree with.

I'm not through the others yet, some of them make sense other times I'm unsure of wording and so forth, if not the belief itself.

Sometimes it gives me a headache.

 

[Loren T.]

Pleasr read what I wrote more carrfuly. Your post is a response from false premises that are answered in my post.

I did read it carefully. It doesn't answer how a priest can say a person is forgiven, when he can't know if God has forgiven them.

 

[Loren T.]

Baptism doesn't forgive sins committed after one is Baptised.

Baptism doesn't forgive sins at all. Only Jesus' blood does that, and it doesn't require a mediator between us and Jesus. Jesus is our mediator and high priest.

 

[Eloy Craft]

I did read it carefully. It doesn't answer how a priest can say a person is forgiven, when he can't know if God has forgiven them.

It does. If the person is trully sorry and resolved to not sin sgain they receive the absolution granted by the Priest.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Baptism doesn't forgive sins at all. Only Jesus' blood does that, and it doesn't require a mediator between us and Jesus. Jesus is our mediator and high priest.

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Loren T.]

It does. If the person is trully sorry and resolved to not sin sgain they receive the absolution granted by the Priest.

And he just lies to the others.

 

[Loren T.]

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repentance results in salvation. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord you will be saved. Baptism is another way of confessing to what God has done. If you haven't believed first, all you get is wet.

 

[JIMINZ]

There is a difference between forgiving and retaining a sin. Say my brother accuses me of being insane. I can forgive him for it, yet still demand that God change him. This would still bring correction down on my brother. It is retaining the sin while still offering forgiveness.

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The other part of Forgiveness is Forgetting the wrong done, any demanding of God after Forgiveness, is seeking Retribution, which is Vengeance, by proxy.

Question, if your brother sins against you, you then Forgive him, but demand Correction from God be brought against him.

A week goes by, and the Brothers child is hit by a car and killed, would you accept that incident as sufficient Correction from God for the sin against you?

Or would you just say it was a coincidence?.....How would you know for sure?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

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The other part of Forgiveness is Forgetting the wrong done, any demanding of God after Forgiveness, is seeking Retribution, which is Vengeance, by proxy.

Question, if your brother sins against you, you then Forgive him, but demand Correction from God be brought against him.

A week goes by, and the Brothers child is hit by a car and killed, would you accept that incident as sufficient Correction from God for the sin against you?

Or would you just say it was a coincidence?.....How would you know for sure?

God does not correct people with this level of severity. God loves His children, and corrects them with love.

Lets have a look at the following scriptures:

Mat 18:15 -18 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The above scripture shows the idea of binding (of a sin) or loosing (of a sin). The very concept said to His disciples "whatever sin you forgive will be forgiven.." etc

The un-forgiveness of a sin comes after a process, starting as seen, you personally warn the person, they don't listen, you tell the church to help you correct them, they still won't listen, then they should not be seen as forgiven.

 

[JIMINZ]

God does not correct people with this level of severity. God loves His children, and corrects them with love.

Lets have a look at the following scriptures:

Mat 18:15 -18 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The above scripture shows the idea of binding (of a sin) or loosing (of a sin). The very concept said to His disciples "whatever sin you forgive will be forgiven.." etc

The un-forgiveness of a sin comes after a process, starting as seen, you personally warn the person, they don't listen, you tell the church to help you correct them, they still won't listen, then they should not be seen as forgiven.

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