You know, I think this may be positive for you. If you never committed yourself to Christ, then why not commit yourself to Christ now and just begin?I mentioned in my writing that it was never truly about the lord at any point
When I would minister at certain times, actually, before i even got the chance to mention Jesus.. this guy actually started getting angry and said to me, "i don't want anything to do with your Jesus. " and proceded to punch me in the face. Hence why i say demons manifested.
I have an example of that one.
I mentioned in my writing that it was never truly about the lord at any point
Demons are disembodied spirits. The seek to occupy human vessels. When i came around, the demons began manifesting through him. I myself was demon possessed when younger.. and had a minister cast it out of me. I would try eating my own skin, eating domestic animals Alive, ect. I know first hard how to tell when a person is demonized. I didn't post this to convince people of this subject matter.Maybe my idea of 'having demons manifest around me' is different than yours, but I wouldn't call this a demonic experience.
The guy probably wanted you to not talk to him and prevented you doing so by punching you in the face.
I view demons as coming from the spiritual realm in that a demon is not human or that a demon has taken over a human's body and is controlling it.
I would rather be punched in the face by a human being, than have demons manifest around me, so I don't think that went so bad. Although it is not fun getting punched in the face by any means.
Unless you have another example, I doubt that demons have manifest around you. And I would be glad to let this one go.
Well you had the experience not me, so I will trust that you know what was going on.Demons are disembodied spirits. The seek to occupy human vessels. When i came around, the demons began manifesting through him. I myself was demon possessed when younger.. and had a minister cast it out of me. I would try eating my own skin, eating domestic animals Alive, ect. I know first hard how to tell when a person is demonized. I didn't post this to convince people of this subject matter.
To be continued; I need to go out.
1. If a person is indulged in the things of God to the extent that I was, and does not backslide, but rather consciously turns their back on the faith.. then it is impossible that they, under any circumstance, ever return to repentance.
2. If a person falls away after being in the fulness of the things of God, then it is impossible for any man to lead them back to the way of righteousness. (There are numerous scriptures in the NT talking about leading people going astray, back to repentance.) This interpretation says that BECAUSE they are crucifying to themselves the Son of God afresh, it is impossible. They cannot be reasoned with. But if they decide to, then they can come back.
I truly do not know which one of these is correct.
Does anybody have anything that I have missed? Does anybody have insight or a first hand experience related to this? All answered are greatly appreciated.
6 months after leaving bible college, I got into a motorcycle accident that almost killed me. Before leaving the house that night, I felt something nudging at me as if insisting me to put on my motorcycle helmet, which i never would normally wear. My life was spared because of that.
In the hospital, I felt what I believed to be the presence of God, flooding the hospital room. It was to the point where even a single thought about God would make me begin weeping uncontrollably. I can't say that I've had such easy access to His presence in my lifetime.
However, in the hospital, I decided that when I recovered, I would go back into the world, once more. And so I did. This time, darker and deeper than before.
A year and a half goes by, and I meet a girl in Rhode Island. The way we met was as if supernatural coincidence set it up. (I'll spare the details but please take my word for it)… If anyone had met a person in this manner, and had the connection with the other person the way that we did, and they didn't know better.. they would think that God matched us up together. But I know what the voice of Jesus is like, and it was not Him orchestrating this meeting. I knew it was Satan.
Anyways, when I flew to see her a month later, we were staying together in a hotel for a week, doing nothing good.. when she went to take a shower. When I was sitting on the bed, I suddenly had a vision: I saw myself, with her. I saw in the vision, her distracting me... and hell was beneath us. I saw a large black arm rise out of hell, grab me, and pull me into hell. The vision was so profound and intense that it made my body physically jump, though I carried on in my life without paying any mind to it.
A year later, her and I broke up. I thought to myself, "well, at least the vision didn't come to pass." But, lo and behold; 6 month later, due to supernatural circumstance, we began speaking again, and ended up getting back together.
I chose to marry her. It felt like I was doing the wrong thing, but I went through with it.
Now you're pretty much caught up to where I'm currently at.
What are your thoughts? Does Hebrews 6 describe the reason why I keep falling back into darkness, and just have not been able to truly repent?
I feel your two responses are the best here and speak to me the most. Honestly, I don't think I wany God or the christian life. But i want to want to.. if that makes sense. I'm not sure how to change my heart. If even possible.Continued.
I've read, and heard, of people who've done just that - been faithful Christians, sinned, become proud, had an affair or whatever, were found out and humbled, genuinely repented and were restored.
If that interpretation were correct, this could never happen.
I don't believe either is.
A lot of problems are not so much with the words that the Bible says, but how we apply them to our lives today.
As I said, Hebrews was written to a specific group of people, facing a problem and being tempted in a special kind of way. Never mind the commentators, have you asked God to show you the meaning of these verses; if, or how, they apply to your life? Or have you just read the words, and your guilt over your sin and rebellion has filled in the blanks, and you've made it about you?
I've certainly sinned, repented, been forgiven, sinned and been forgiven again.
As a child I was unable to believe that God loved me, so I denied it and dismissed Scripture verses. I really thought I was being humble in saying that God didn't love me. Maybe there were some reasons why I was unable to accept and believe this simple truth - the fact is, though, that I dismissed what Scripture said and kept throwing it back in God's face. Yet he was SO patient and didn't give up on me.
It took time for me to realise what was going on, repent and accept his love. I still don't understand why he would love me - but his love, today, is so precious.
I haven't quoted all the rest of your story. But it seems to me that the only "crazy" thing about it is that the Lord keeps nudging, prompting, talking to you and even giving you visions; you accept them for a while, even to the point of being blessed/moved by them, then you turn away, reject them and go back to how it was before.
It is crazy because one day you won't be given another chance - you'll either not hear from God at all, because you keep pushing him away; or you'll have a fatal accident/illness, not be able to repent and have to deal with the consequences.
This is none of my business, I may be wrong and you don't have to read my post; but to be blunt, what do you want?
You can either thank God for not giving up on you, heed all the promptings and visions and finally acknowledge his love for you and Lordship in your life; or you can play at being a Christian, take the good stuff but turn your back again as soon as something more attractive comes along.
It seems to me that God is showing you just how much he loves you and wants you to be his. Saying "yes" to that and his Lordship, may be hard and involve repentance, but it will doubtless be the best thing you ever do.
Or, you can keep on rejecting him.
No.
We may all say, "I can't help sinning/rejecting God's love and am unable to repent" - circumstances may lead us to say that. But there is such a thing as personal responsibility too.
You chose to "turn back to the world" on various occasions; Hebrews 6 didn't make you.
You chose to listen to your friend's vision for a while, but then you chose not to - you proposed to that girl; Hebrews 6 didn't make you do it.
You've just said, you CHOSE to marry her; Hebrews 6 didn't make you do that.
I don't believe i was ever truly savedAre you sure you were saved in the first place?
“Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God.” (1 John 3:9–10) NLT for clarity
Ever since I was young, I would see spirits. They would appear to me in my room, torture me, torture my family, ect. There was a night we had to sleep in walmart because they physically manifeated in our home. My dad said they threw me across the room. I'll never forget that night as long as i live. Since i was young i would have dreams and vision showing me future events, that would happen with frightening accuracy.. i'm just receptive to that realm. I believe the vision about my wife was from the Holy Ghost. I've had similar visions from the Holu Ghost before and I have learned how to distinguish between a Rhema/Inward vision from the Holy Ghost, and demonic visions. The bible even says the Holy sprit will show you things to come.I'm not really here to decide for you what is and is not real, but I can give an account as a trustworthy conduit from God. Miracles, visions, powers, none of them have to be from God. There are lying spirits that very often mimic holy experiences among people who are open to those things. The problem is, especially in matters of the heart, Satan can really mess you up with a bunch of demonic attacks. That isn't to say that some things can be from God, but just because you get peace or someone gets healed or you get some sign or vision or some random experience, doesn't mean God is at work. He tells the miracle workers that they are workers of iniquity when he says, "I never knew you." And today there do exist churches with real and fake miracles leading people into demonic chaos with things that just aren't good. The bottom line is, if it is something that hasn't led to you being a better person filled with more peace and more obedient to the Bible, no matter how powerful or beautiful the angel of light was it can very clearly be shown to not truly be from God.
Now, I know that doesn't sound possible because many of your experiences may have been answers to prayers or just what you needed at a particular time or in full scriptural context, at least, with what you think is context, but the mind games that can be played with those who are open to the spiritual world is exceedingly extensive. The fact you've taken 100 hours is respectable, but it also shows signs of obsessing behavior. In fact, your whole story shows much obsession. You may blame yourself for this, but that's not entirely the reason. For whatever reason, Satan has seen fit to constantly attack your unprotected mind. Unprotected, because it seems you were open to the spiritual without first being carefully guided into it, which, isn't your fault, but whoever has led you or taught you these things was not wise. It may have been yourself, in which case, shame on you for not seeking help. It may have been your mentors, in which case, shame on them for joining with false prophecy. But God leads to peace. He doesn't mar your future. He doesn't darken every room you're going to step into. He doesn't doom you.
He doesn't change like shifting shadows. "You will know them by their fruit." I was once victim of lying spirits that came through those I trusted and my own family. Through circumstances they ruined my life for a while, but they will be repaid for the confusion brought to me and time wasted, yet it is my responsibility to get back to where I started from. You are married and you are negatively characterizing that situation. Does that come from God? No, but it came from your vision. You are still looking to the Bible and you care what it says, but you are interpreting that as a loss of heart? Does that come from God? My friend there is plenty good still in you, but what you're dealing with is a matter of personal choice. Ignore the visions. Ignore the past. Put it behind you and strive toward the prize. The mature take such view of things. But Satan will keep you in his power as long as he can. He will bring your to the past, to your visions, to the miracles, to voices, to thought patterns, to anything and everything that takes you peace, to loss of salvation (which is why we put on the helmet of salvation), to your past, to your future which he conveniently interprets for himself.
Honestly. If you were meant to even be some evangelistic leader type (sorry, not sorry) don't you think knowing how to lead a family is an important step? Please. You've let these experiences with "the divine" guide your life more than the word of God. Is it then, divine? Get back to the basics. Trust and obey. Read the book. Do what is says. Enough of this shoulda-been, or will-be, stuff you don't even really know is real. Stop looking at the book as though it is condemning you. I'll pray God changes your heart. That's all you gotta do too. "Make me want to want to change." I know you said you have. But understand that some change is lengthy. Part of your issue is all this self condemnation and spiritual stuff that doesn't seem to be leading you toward Christ; "You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and prevented you from following the truth? Such persuasion does not come from the One who calls you." Rejoice in your marriage. Forget the past. Reach for the future. Stop misinterpreting things. XD
Ever since I was young, I would see spirits. They would appear to me in my room, torture me, torture my family, ect. There was a night we had to sleep in walmart because they physically manifeated in our home. My dad said they threw me across the room. I'll never forget that night as long as i live. Since i was young i would have dreams and vision showing me future events, that would happen with frightening accuracy.. i'm just receptive to that realm. I believe the vision about my wife was from the Holy Ghost. I've had similar visions from the Holu Ghost before and I have learned how to distinguish between a Rhema/Inward vision from the Holy Ghost, and demonic visions. The bible even says the Holy sprit will show you things to come.
I just don't know whats wrong with me. Why do i keep turning my back on God? One day, I will devote my soul completely to him. Then, I will go to sleep, and for the next 2 weeks, completely lose all care for God, and the things of Him.
I feel your two responses are the best here and speak to me the most. Honestly, I don't think I wany God or the christian life. But i want to want to.. if that makes sense. I'm not sure how to change my heart. If even possible.
See and that's why I came up with the second interpretion i wrote of Hebrews 6. It's as if saying, "It is impossible for any man to bring back an apostate, because the apostate is crucifying Jesus afresh as long as he persists."Hi Curtis,
A very compelling post. So you did marry the girl?
I will sketch out my understanding of Heb. 6 and 10.
In Heb. 6, the author states he is writing stylistically, "in this manner". He explicitly states he is writing as a warning, not a condemnation. He says it is impossible to renew an apostate to repentance, but Jesus has said that what is impossible with man is possible for God. And if you follow the writer's logic superficially, you end up with him patronizing his audience, or in either works salvation or favoritism by God, neither of which is possible.
Watch the verb tenses very carefully. Many of them are present participles, indicating ongoing action in the present. For instance, it says "they are recrucifying the Son of God", rather than "they have recrucified the Son of God". Do you understand the difference? The second is a done deal, with implications that it probably cannot be reversed. But the way it's actually written describes a current condition that possibly can be rectified.
This same dynamic is true, BTW, of the verse about putting one's hand to the plow and "looking back". It's not as with Lot's wife, one and done. It's that you need to start looking where you're supposed to be going so you can plow straight rows. And it's also true of Heb 10.26, where the more accurate translations say something like "keep on sinning", or even, "deliberately keep on sinning". It's not one and done. It's about your current state.
Also, in 10.26 it's not just knowledge, gnosis, of the truth that must be rejected, but it's full knowledge, epignosis. You really have to know what you're doing.
Think about it. If God had given up on you, would you have received the warning about the motorcycle accident? Would your friend have received a detailed vision about you? And would that vision include an undeniable opportunity for you to repent and be reinstated? That would make no sense to me.
So I don't ask you what you have done before that led up to now, I ask you what your current is situation regarding the Lord Jesus. Are you in sin? Do you want to repent?
If I have hope, then you have hope.If the Holy Spirit is giving you visions then you haven't been abandoned. Why would the Holy Spirit reveal anything to an apostate?
You have a lot more hope than me.
If I have hope, then you have hope.
I don't recall them going much into it. Probably wasn't paying attention.If I can ask a few questions, trying to help.
What did your bible college teach you about Hebrews 6?
How do you view people who tell you Hebrews 6 doesn't really mean what you so clearly understand it to mean?
As far as this forum goes, what is your reaction to the answers you've gotten so far?
What it is really saying Curtis is that salvation cannot be lost. Although 'we' decide we are finished with God, He is faithful to the Covenant He makes with us. Christians love to talk about the people or person who turned their back on Christ, but God doesn't turn His back on us.See and that's why I came up with the second interpretion i wrote of Hebrews 6. It's as if saying, "It is impossible for any man to bring back an apostate, because the apostate is crucifying Jesus afresh as long as he persists."
The problem is that in different translations, the present particicles are modified.. and i cannot come to the same conclusion with them being modified.
When i told God I was done with Him, I began sinning as much as i possibly could with the specific intention of permanantly silencing His voice.I have no convictions of sin. I have no Godly remorse. I cannot feel love for anyone. The only "hope" that I have is that I'm attempting to restore my relationship with God.
Anyways my point is, you're getting visions. That's either good or bad depending on where they are from. If they are from the Holy Spirit then you have much reason to have hope. The Holy Spirit would never reveal anything to an apostate.
When you said you were done with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit did you 100% mean it or did you just say it out of anger and a temporary bitterness? For me I never actually said that but I did resist the promptings of the Holy Spirit over a long duration of time until I no longer heard His voice. I am guessing you did the same. Your "yes" to God basically became "no". However when I resisted, I never intended for it to be permanent. Maybe you were the same way?
When i told God I was done with Him, I began sinning as much as i possibly could with the specific intention of permanantly silencing His voice.
I first want to start by requesting that you'll only answer if you have a solid foundation on bible doctrines. Saying to me, "well that doesn't apply to you because God is love He wouldn't send you to hell; or well you care so you're saved;" will not help at all, nor is biblically sound. I desperately need help, but I need the help to be correct..
I grew up in a Christian home. It was forced on me by my parents, so naturally I rebelled against it in my teenage years. I became an, "atheist." Well one day, when I just turned 18, my football coach offered salvation through Jesus Christ to me. I declined, but due to circumstances set up by God, accepted his offer a week later. I chose to believe in Jesus Christ as savior, but He was not yet Lord. But God did deliver me from the insurmountable situation. I have been told my whole life that I have a Call of God on my life.
God called me to bible college in 2013, and I obeyed Him and went. There, I was heavily trained in Bible Theology, as well as ministry. I received hands-on experience with how to be used by the Holy Ghost as a vessel. I preached to people, was persecuted, had demons manifest around me, laid hands on the sick and saw miraculous healings, ect. (even saw a broken bone snap back into play with a loud, "pop" sound.)
The problem was that It was never truly about the Lord to me. I wanted to marry a girl that went to the college with me. She was an idol to me, and I never truly put God before her. I would only serve God with her in mind as the end result. It was never about the Lord Jesus Christ.
By the end of my time in the bible college in 2015, she decided to be with someone else, whom she is to this day married to. I left the bible college as well as the call of God on my life. I said to God, something to the extent of, "Jesus, God, Holy Spirit, I'm done with you."
I then began sinning intentionally with the specific intent and purpose of silencing the voice of the Holy Ghost in my heart. Since then, I have slept with 30 women, and have fallen into a more sinful state than I ever was previously in. 7 times worse sounds about right.
Since then, I have found myself in a place of absolute despair. I have found no place in my heart for repentance of any sort. I feel no sorrow for my sins, cannot hear from God, continue living a wicked lifestyle.. ect. I'm telling you, I cannot seem to break through this problem. I cry out day and night, but my heart remains wicked. If i'm honest, I only care because I know hell is at stake.
I can almost believe with certainty that nobody currently alive has studied Hebrews 6 more than I have. I have read what seems to be every commentary, every translation, and every interpretation many times over. I probably have, without exaggeration, put 100 hours study into Hebrews 6:4-6. I know the Calvanist, Armenian, and pretty much every other interpretation, as well as the flaws behind them.
The only interpretation that is completely flawed throughout is the one that says, "the writer is describing that it is impossible to fall away and lose your salvation." - the bible does not speak in such complex verbiage. It is made to where the simple minded can understand. I'm no slouch when it comes to the English Language, but trying to read it in the way they describe is completely confusing and asinine.
That being said, I have decided, based on 100 hours of research that this verse means either one of two things.
1. If a person is indulged in the things of God to the extent that I was, and does not backslide, but rather consciously turns their back on the faith.. then it is impossible that they, under any circumstance, ever return to repentance. It's not that God wouldn't forgive them if they did, but rather that their hearts will never be able to be changed, due to their prior exposal to the things of God.
2. If a person falls away after being in the fulness of the things of God, then it is impossible for any man to lead them back to the way of righteousness. (There are numerous scriptures in the NT talking about leading people going astray, back to repentance.) This interpretation says that BECAUSE they are crucifying to themselves the Son of God afresh, it is impossible. They cannot be reasoned with. But if they decide to, then they can come back.
I truly do not know which one of these is correct.
Does anybody have anything that I have missed? Does anybody have insight or a first hand experience related to this? All answered are greatly appreciated.
If you have read enough and just want answer the quick question, then stop here.. but i'm going to further expand on the backstory in this situation, to show you how crazy it really is if you keep reading.
6 months after leaving bible college, I got into a motorcycle accident that almost killed me. Before leaving the house that night, I felt something nudging at me as if insisting me to put on my motorcycle helmet, which i never would normally wear. My life was spared because of that.
In the hospital, I felt what I believed to be the presence of God, flooding the hospital room. It was to the point where even a single thought about God would make me begin weeping uncontrollably. I can't say that I've had such easy access to His presence in my lifetime.
However, in the hospital, I decided that when I recovered, I would go back into the world, once more. And so I did. This time, darker and deeper than before.
A year and a half goes by, and I meet a girl in Rhode Island. The way we met was as if supernatural coincidence set it up. (I'll spare the details but please take my word for it)… If anyone had met a person in this manner, and had the connection with the other person the way that we did, and they didn't know better.. they would think that God matched us up together. But I know what the voice of Jesus is like, and it was not Him orchestrating this meeting. I knew it was Satan.
Anyways, when I flew to see her a month later, we were staying together in a hotel for a week, doing nothing good.. when she went to take a shower. When I was sitting on the bed, I suddenly had a vision: I saw myself, with her. I saw in the vision, her distracting me... and hell was beneath us. I saw a large black arm rise out of hell, grab me, and pull me into hell. The vision was so profound and intense that it made my body physically jump, though I carried on in my life without paying any mind to it.
A year later, her and I broke up. I thought to myself, "well, at least the vision didn't come to pass." But, lo and behold; 6 month later, due to supernatural circumstance, we began speaking again, and ended up getting back together.
Well, my spirit man was constantly eating at me about this.. I could not shake the vision I had of me going to hell a year prior.
So I began to pray, more fervently than I have ever prayed before: With tears and screaming, I said "Jesus, if I'm going to end up fulfilling the vision by being with her, at least make it to where I know I'm on the way to hell without a shadow of a doubt!!"
The next morning I woke up to a text from my most radical Christian friend, who knows nothing about me. the text says the following message that I'm going to copy and paste:
"I felt God told me to anoint myself with oil and then to sit down and listen. I did so, and immediately I heard the word "friend". I continued to listen and set my heart upon Him, when I began to see a vision. It was you, walking behind a girl. I couldn't see her face at first, but only her back. She wore a long dress that followed behind her. She seemed to be young and beautiful. Delicacies like candy and color objects followed close to her.
I saw you and it seemed you were drawn to her, as if you wanted to be with her. You were attracted to her and had a desire to engage with her. You got close and even tried to touch her dress and even smell it; it seemed you would even taste it if you could.
The girl continued to walk with her back to me until I came closer to her front. I then saw her face and it looked like that of a living corpse, even a hideous insect. There was obvious evil and wickedness about her. She then turned to you and grabbed you and killed you in front of me. She left the scene and all I saw was your grave.
I was then taken to another vision in which I saw you with God. In this scene you had refused the woman and were drawn to the Lord. He showed you creation and brought you through mountains and valleys. You were both friends. He brought you before many people and you proclaimed the message of salvation to them. You were enraptured by Him and He with you.
In this scene I have just mentioned, you were consumed with love for God and it did not matter that you were single. Marriage was not even on your mind. You were fulfilled in your relationship with Jesus Christ. "
Terror struck my soul upon reading this text message. I contacted her and told her that we were over, and that I would never speak to her again. I also told her why. She was very understanding.. and it was deeply hurtful to both of us.
I, however, believe that I felt an absolute assurance from the Holy Ghost that I was a child of God at that point. I felt a peace beyond understanding, despite the immense pain, and breaking of my willpower this burdened me with.
The following 3 to 4 nights, I began pleading with God that He would allow me to be with her without it taking me to hell. I told God how much I loved her. I told God, "even if she isn't the best you have for me, I want to be with her. I love her." I talked to her about all of this and she ended up one night, saying a prayer to give her life to the Lord, and began taking it upon herself to read the word for hours on end, and pray. However, I was skeptical that it may have been a false conversion, just to get me back.
While I was seeking the answer.. I BELIEVE to have had the Lord say this to me... "I will allow you to marry her without it taking you to hell. However, if you do, you will never be able to fulfill the calling I have place upon your life."
I chose to marry her. It felt like I was doing the wrong thing, but I went through with it.
Now you're pretty much caught up to where I'm currently at.
What are your thoughts? Does Hebrews 6 describe the reason why I keep falling back into darkness, and just have not been able to truly repent?
Please, any advice is helpful. God bless.
Not all visions are from good spirits. God says to test the spirits and see if they are of God.If the Holy Spirit is giving you visions then you haven't been abandoned. Why would the Holy Spirit reveal anything to an apostate?
You have a lot more hope than me.
For my thoughts on the unpardonable sin go to Is there an unpardonable sin, what is blasphemy of the holy spirit.
But basically the cross of Christ was a righteous life, for a life time of sins.
Heb 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people;
The cross covers any sin we may commit in the body during our life time. To say that the cross is no longer available means we have physically died in our sins, we have died bodily while still in unbelief and sin.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Note that Paul says that any sin that is not taken to the grave is forgivable, we are just not to pray for peoples sins once they die. It means that if God has left us alive he is seeking eternal life for us, he wants us restored. We are to pray for life for the sinning believer while they live. It is only if you die in sin that it is too late.
So Hebrews 6 could be written:
Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away [into a state of unbelief, and die in it], to renew them again unto repentance [to a change of mind]; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh [demand a fresh sacrifice of the Son of God], and put him to an open shame.
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