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God knows in advance the choices that you will make, not the choices that he will make for you. So free will does exist in a universe with an omniscient God.If God knows in advance what choices I will make, they are not choices. Therefore, free will cannot exist in a universe with an omniscient God.
God doing actions doesn’t mean they have to be time based
God has given humanity free choice, he knows their choices
God knowing everything doesn’t mean he has prejudged everyone to heaven and hell.
God’s judgement is based on what he knows humanity will choose based on their freedom of choice
being outside of time doesn’t mean God can’t enter into time or influence it,
I don’t need to give an example, God’s actions are not finite in nature thus are not time based, I already said that if there is no action outside of time then time itself cannot be exist, since time was created and has a beginning thus requires an action by God outside of it to create and start it.Actually, they do. Please give an example of an action that is not based in time, having duration.
The definition of free will is the ability for us to choose multiple courses of action with our own mind and desires. God knowing the choices we make and the outcome of our choices has nothing to do with us deciding them or choosing them.It's not free will if our choices are known in advance.
I said he hasn’t pre-judged everyone to their fate, his judgement is acts in accordance to the will he gave us, God will judge us in accordance to way we chose to enact our free will, we are not prejudged to certain fates.If he doesn't know the judgements in advance, he doesn't know everything.
What does knowing the choices we make have to do with us choosing them, if I know for sure what candy your going to eat and you actually do eat it, by your logic you didn’t choose to eat it, rather strange.If God knows the choices in advance, they are not free choices.
God created space and time, thus is at liberty to influence it and enter in and out of it as he pleases, he’s not locked out of it, otherwise he couldn’t have created it.Actually it does.
No you aren’t, but that has nothing to do with making a choice out of your own will and desires.Am I capable of making a choice that surprises God?
I don’t need to give an example, God’s actions are not finite in nature thus are not time based
I already said that if there is no action outside of time then time itself cannot be exist
since time was created and has a beginning thus requires an action by God outside of it to create and start it.
The definition of free will is the ability for us to choose multiple courses of action with our own mind and desires. God knowing the choices we make and the outcome of our choices has nothing to do with us deciding them or choosing them.
What does knowing the choices we make have to do with us choosing them, if I know for sure what candy your going to eat and you actually do eat it, by your logic you didn’t choose to eat it, rather strange.
God created space and time, thus is at liberty to influence it and enter in and out of it as he pleases, he’s not locked out of it, otherwise he couldn’t have created it.
No you aren’t, but that has nothing to do with making a choice out of your own will and desires.
Your thoughts can be written down physically on paper yet still remain outside of the physical world in your mind as a non corporeal thought, so why can’t God be outside of time and still be able to commit an action inside of time?OK, if God is outside time, then he can't commit an action that is inside time.
Why should I give you an example of an action outside of time when I’m specifically stating that God is the only being outside of time and unaffected by it, being the creator of time of course. The only example I could give is God himself and nothing other than God since only something uncreated can be outside of time.Please give an example of an action outside time.
Stephen Hawkin himself seems to disagree with you:You haven't provided evidence that time was created by God. My understanding from reading Stephen Hawking is that the beginning of time is like an open set. For example, think of the lowest number greater than zero. Any figure you provide, such as 0.1, I can simply divide by 2 and obtain a lower number that is still greater than zero. Et cetera to ridiculously small numbers like .00000001. In other words, there was no "hard" beginning.
You know there’s quite a big difference between knowing something was going to happen and predestining something to happen or planning it to happen in advance. The former is true for God, the latter is false. God knowing the decisions you make does not mean your pre-planned to make the decision you made.If God knows the choices in advance, then they're not really choices. They are predetermined and we lack free will. I ask again: Can I make a choice that surprises God? If not, then I'm not making my own decisions.
So when I know for sure your going to eat the red candy 100% so I leave it for you on the desk and you do end up eating it, by your logic I pre-determined you to do it thus you had no choice to eat it in the first place, absolute nonsense. Knowing something in advance does not mean forcing you to do everything you do, you still choose to do what you do because you want to do it out of your own desires that alone is enough proof that God has not hot wired you to do everything you do. I don’t know how to stress this enough, God knowing the actions you will take doesn’t mean he chose the actions for you, you chose them out of your own will and he knew you would do them, this does not mean he made you do them.If you know a million years before I was born, then I didn't make a choice. I was merely carrying out predetermined programming as an automaton.
Sure he can, your thoughts can be written on paper physically, yet still remain as thoughts in your mind, similarly God can enter time, yet still remain outside of time.If God is outside time, God can't enter time and still be outside of it.
I believe I already answered this, but no you can’t make a choice that surprises God, that doesn’t mean the choice is made for you as I’ve already explain, Saint John of Damascus has something interesting to say:Am I capable of making a choice that surprises God?
Of course it does. If my decisions are predetermined before my birth, they are not my decisions. Again, free will cannot exist in the same universe with an omniscient God.
Your thoughts can be written down physically on paper yet still remain outside of the physical world in your mind as a non corporeal thought, so why can’t God be outside of time and still be able to commit an action inside of time?
Why should I give you an example of an action outside of time when I’m specifically stating that God is the only being outside of time and unaffected by it, being the creator of time of course. The only example I could give is God himself
only something uncreated can be outside of time.
Stephen Hawkin himself seems to disagree with you:
“All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology.”
“The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago....
The Beginning of TIme
If what he says is truly the case that the universe began 15 billion years ago your eventually going to hit zero on your calculations.
God knowing the decisions you make does not mean your pre-planned to make the decision you made.
So when I know for sure your going to eat the red candy 100% so I leave it for you on the desk and you do end up eating it, by your logic I pre-determined you to do it thus you had no choice to eat it in the first place, absolute nonsense.
Knowing something in advance does not mean forcing you to do everything you do, you still choose to do what you do because you want to do it out of your own desires that alone is enough proof that God has not hot wired you to do everything you do.
I don’t know how to stress this enough, God knowing the actions you will take doesn’t mean he chose the actions for you
Sure he can, your thoughts can be written on paper physically, yet still remain as thoughts in your mind, similarly God can enter time, yet still remain outside of time.
Have you come across Open Theism: the belief that the future is open to God. The future is not knowable, so it is not part of God's omniscience. Which means that he can regret something that happened or that he was part of. God did not know how Saul would turn out, only his heart at the time he was chosen.
Or Neo-Molinism: God knows all possible futures, but it is not possible to know which one will come to pass. So he can regret something that happened, even though he knew it was a possibility. God knew that mankind could make a mess of things but he took the risk none-the-less.
Finally there is the possibility that our ideas about God's omniscience are overblown. Look up the verses that deal with the subject and they either imply that God knows everything about something specific or that the Jewish authors could not see the limits of God's knowledge.
Yes. I assume you are asking about future prophecies rather than general revelation (which would be a bit pointless to ask about under the circumstances).In either of these scenarios, would there be Prophecies?
But if we take away knowledge, then if God prophecies about the future, then he has to MAKE IT HAPPEN. In other words, it becomes a function of his omnipotence, rather than omniscience. Under this theological framework God's power is brought to the fore as if he says something will happen, IT WILL happen if he so desires it.
Whose free will? If God has free will too and wants to will something to happen then I have no problem with the idea that he might override free will occasionally. If he couldn't override free will when necessary then clearly he wouldn't be omnipotent.In this case does God suspend free will to make it happen?
What if God does not know in advance what choice you will make? Free will can exist and so can an omniscient God (look up Open Theism or Neo-Molinism).If God knows in advance what choices I will make, they are not choices. Therefore, free will cannot exist in a universe with an omniscient God.
Open Theism is well... heresy~What if God does not know in advance what choice you will make? Free will can exist and so can an omniscient God (look up Open Theism or Neo-Molinism).
Is it really? In what way?Open Theism is well... heresy~
Omniscience is an absolute; there are not degrees of it.
I think the logical conclusion is that God doesn't exist. Otherwise you end up with nonsense and contradictions.
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