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How can God regret if he knows the future?

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It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
1 Samuel 15:11

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
Genesis 6:6
 

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We know our children might commit sins as human beings and yet that doesn't stop anyone from having children. We do feel sorrow when our children do wrong things but we already know before they were born that they will commit wrongs as all human beings do.
 
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God created the universe with freedom of events, and created free will. God at first appreciated creation, and later corrected it, but three child bearing families survived. God seems to have a will and emotions that ca be moved by people in the here and now rather than ignoring them for His own infinitely wise plans. That relationship with non omniscient beings must be part of an ancient plan.
 
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It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
1 Samuel 15:11

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
Genesis 6:6
The Hebrew word which is used in these passages which is Nacham doesn’t necessarily mean repent as in how humans repent it can also mean grieved or to console ones self:

Strong's Hebrew: 5162. נָחַם (nacham) -- to be sorry, console oneself

The NIV and other translations actually translate Nacham as grieve or grieved which is sometimes more accurate in passages such as these:

"‘I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.’ Samuel was troubled, and he cried out to the LORD all that night… He who is the Glory of Israel DOES NOT LIE OR CHANGE HIS MIND; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind… Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the LORD was grieved that he had made Saul king over Israel." 1 Samuel 15:11-35 NIV

"The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain." Genesis 6:6 NIV

That said it makes perfect sense that God grieves his creation especially Israel whenever they turn away from him in sin, this does not mean that God is having second thoughts or is changing his mind, John Gill in his commentary also explains what is meant when God repents or grieves:

I will repent of the evil that one thought to do unto them; as they change their course of life, God will change the dispensations of his providence towards them, and not bring upon them the evil of punishment he threatened them with; in which sense repentance CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD OF GOD, he doing that which is similar to what men do when they repent of anything; they stop their proceedings, and change their outward conduct; so God proceeds not to do what he threatened to do, and changes his outward behaviour to men; he wills a change, and makes one in his methods of acting, BUT NEVER CHANGES HIS WILL.

Jeremiah 18 Gill's Exposition

God acts in accordance to the free will of humanity, God is grieved and repents (Nacham) when humanity expresses sin and acts in accordance to that sin with judgement and refrains only when they repent. This does not mean God changes his mind, but rather he is consistent and immutable in regards to his will.

By the way you can find similar verses to these in your own Quran:

Then Adam received commandments from his Lord, and his Lord repented (fataba) towards him; for He is Oft-Repenting (huwa al-tawwabu), Most Merciful. S. 2:37

And remember Moses said to his people: ‘O my people! ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf; so repent (fataboo) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker.’ Then He repented (fataba) towards you: for He is Oft-Repenting (huwa al-tawwabu), Most Merciful. S. 2:54

Our Lord! And make us submissive unto you and of our seed a nation submissive unto you, and show us our ways of worship, and repent (watub) toward us. Lo! You, only You, are the Oft-Repenting (anta al-tawwabu), the Merciful. S. 2:128

Except those who repent (taboo) and make amends and openly declare: To them I repent (atoobu); for I am Oft-Repenting (wa ana al-tawwabu), Most Merciful. S. 2:160

Do they not know that Allah accepts repentance (al-tawbata) from His servants, and takes alms; and that Allah is He who is Oft-Repenting (huwa al-tawwabu) and merciful. S. 9:104

And to the three who were left behind, until the earth became strait to them notwithstanding its spaciousness and their souls were also straightened to them; and they knew it for certain that there was no refuge from Allah but in Him; then He repented (taba) to them that they might repent (liyatooboo); surely Allah is the Oft-repenting (huwa al-tawwabu), the Merciful. S. 9:118
 
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Can an omnipotent god change his omniscient mind?
God doesn’t change his mind nor his will, he acts in accordance to the will of humanity, if humanity sins he grieves and acts in judgement, if they repent and turn away from sin he accepts their repentance with love and forgiveness.
 
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Further, can an omniscient god even think? Surely, a mind that knows everything has nothing to do.
Being omniscient doesn’t make God a machine or robot, a mind that is omniscient knows everything and feels everything, he interacts with his creation on a personal level, knowing everything they do, when they do it, and why they do it, and acts in just accordance to his creation.
 
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We know our children might commit sins as human beings and yet that doesn't stop anyone from having children. We do feel sorrow when our children do wrong things but we already know before they were born that they will commit wrongs as all human beings do.
The difference with human children is that we as parents don't already know the precise details of the when, why, where and how of the sins to be committed.

God knows that Bob Brown will kill Jennifer Young on Friday 23rd April 2026 in his kitchen with a bread knife and why he did it, already.

I wonder if he regrets it more or less after it has actually happened?
 
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God doesn’t change his mind nor his will, he acts in accordance to the will of humanity, if humanity sins he grieves and acts in judgement, if they repent and turn away from sin he accepts their repentance with love and forgiveness.
That doesn't answer my question though -- although it was rather rhetorical.
 
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Being omniscient doesn’t make God a machine or robot, a mind that is omniscient knows everything and feels everything, he interacts with his creation on a personal level, knowing everything they do, when they do it, and why they do it, and acts in just accordance to his creation.
What is thinking except evaluating and judging circumstances and making decisions. An omniscient god has no decisions to make. It is static and unthinking.
 
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What is thinking except evaluating and judging circumstances and making decisions. An omniscient god has no decisions to make. It is static and unthinking.
God evaluates the past, present, and future in accordance with his will, he judges humanity based on the free will given to them and acts in accordance with their will and makes decisions. God isn’t static and unthinking because he is omniscient.
 
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God evaluates the past, present, and future in accordance with his will, he judges humanity based on the free will given to them and acts in accordance with their will and makes decisions. God isn’t static and unthinking because he is omniscient.
Yes he is. There is nothing for your god to evaluate. It is already evaluated. The conclusion is foregone. There is nothing to judge as judgement has been and has always been rendered. There was never a time when, to an omniscient being, the judgement wasn't rendered. It is a dead parrot.
 
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Yes he is. There is nothing for your god to evaluate. It is already evaluated. The conclusion is foregone. There is nothing to judge as judgement has been and has always been rendered. There was never a time when, to an omniscient being, the judgement wasn't rendered. It is a dead parrot.
God works with free will, like father Abraham's. By faith in God almighty and all seeing and His goodness, God changed Abraham's future. And so the whole world is different. With the examples of human repentance made popular. Human beings being with God and by themselves can change their own character.
 
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Yes he is. There is nothing for your god to evaluate. It is already evaluated. The conclusion is foregone. There is nothing to judge as judgement has been and has always been rendered. There was never a time when, to an omniscient being, the judgement wasn't rendered. It is a dead parrot.

Well then, so much for the idea that the Spirit of God "searches" the depths of God, since there's no epistemological motion taking place within the totality of God's Being ...

... thanks for clearing all of that up for us, Tinker! :dontcare:
 
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God works with free will, like father Abraham's. By faith in God almighty and all seeing and His goodness, God changed Abraham's future. And so the whole world is different. With the examples of human repentance made popular. Human beings being with God and by themselves can change their own character.
This doesn't deal with my question of how an omniscient god thinks, nor the OP's question of how an omniscient being regrets.

(And if a god outside time created the universe, space/time, then it not only knows the future, it created the future in situ. This, of course, neglects the question of how a being outside of time does anything.)
 
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Yes he is. There is nothing for your god to evaluate. It is already evaluated. The conclusion is foregone. There is nothing to judge as judgement has been and has always been rendered. There was never a time when, to an omniscient being, the judgement wasn't rendered. It is a dead parrot.
What your describing or refuting is pretty much Calvinism, God hasn’t forced you to commit sin or do right upon conception, humanity has free will and God’s judgement acts in accordance with that will, judgement has been rendered in accordance with humanities will, it doesn’t force the will of humanity to either condemnation or salvation. God hasn’t already pre-condemned or saved anyone from birth. Your objection is only valid if I affirm that free will doesn’t exist like in Calvinism.
 
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What your describing or refuting is pretty much Calvinism, God hasn’t forced you to commit sin or do right upon conception, humanity has free will and God’s judgement acts in accordance with that will, judgement has been rendered in accordance with humanities will, it doesn’t force the will of humanity to either condemnation or salvation. God hasn’t already pre-condemned or saved anyone from birth. Your objection is only valid if I affirm that free will doesn’t exist like in Calvinism.
Is your god omniscient? Is your god outside of the space-time continuum?

If your answers are yes, then it is your god I'm refuting. If no, then congrats. Your god is much more limited but much more likely. It is bound by time like we are. It's omniscience is merely really informed guessing. It watches choices unfold and claims "I knew it all along."

So which is it?

(I will agree with you that the god of Calvinism is the most odious of conceptions for YHWH that I know of.)
 
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Is your god omniscient? Is your god outside of the space-time continuum?

If your answers are yes, then it is your god I'm refuting. If no, then congrats. Your god is much more limited but much more likely. It is bound by time like we are. It's omniscience is merely really informed guessing. It watches choices unfold and claims "I knew it all along."

So which is it?

(I will agree with you that the god of Calvinism is the most odious of conceptions for YHWH that I know of.)
Yes God is omniscient, God is out side of space and time, but that does not mean he can’t enter into it, the Incarnation is an example of God entering space and time physically. And no God’s omniscience isn’t just God guessing what we’re about to do next, he knows what we’re going to do and acts in accordance to the choices he knows man is going to make based on man’s free will. I don’t see the difficulty in all of this. There are things I could admire in Calvin’s theology, but I dislike it as a majority, I hold to Eastern Christian theology.
 
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