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How can anyone know which religion (if any) is true?

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For example, the Kalam Cosmological Argument only gets you as far as Deism. I think the fact that Muslims constructed the argument originally shows that it can lead to any theistic God, or even the non-interventionist God of Deism.

Yes, this is true, which is why I didn't suggest that this argument was proof of the Christian God. The argument does, however, defy the assertion atheists often make that belief in God is illogical and utterly reliant upon blind faith. And it also demonstrates that one can argue for the existence of God without resorting to circular reasoning.

Fulfilled prophecy is always tricky to argue for a religion's validity, since things can be written after things happened and prophecy can be claimed to have been fulfilled.

Not in the case of Christianity. The prophecies Christ fulfilled existed centuries prior to his advent into human history.

If prophecies are unfulfilled, one can always claim they'll happen in the future or they're being uninterpreted.

Yes, and? Do you think this makes all fulfilled prophecy suspect?

One can also do the 'double prophecy' claim to say things are being fulfilled twice, plus many prophecies are very vague, allowing connections with specific events to be easily made.

Have you looked into fulfilled biblical prophecy? These objections don't really wash in the instance of biblical prophecy.

Also, to argue from the impact of Christianity on Western Civilization isn't necessarily valid either, since other religions have had large impacts on their civilization as well.

Not valid? Oh, I don't know...I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, here. I wouldn't argue this point as the single, knock-out punch for all skeptics, but the enormous impact the Bible has had on western civilization bears out the Bible's claims of transformative power. Insofar as this is the case, I think it is worth considering when studying the claims the Bible makes for itself.

Selah.
 
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I'm looking for evidence that is written from a non-biased source. If a texts by Roman pagans was to pop up saying that Jesus rose from the dead

Here's the problem with that:

anyone at the time believing that, WAS a Christian. By definition. Right? Therefore it is entirely unwise to expect a non-Christian source to back up any such claim.

something else - modern undeniable proof of a miracle.

Many of us have had these. MD's see them on a regular basis. Such records exist, and are published.

The one realm I thought it might be - philosophy, just as easily leads to any God, and not specifically the God of Christianity.

Good, so now along with the preacher of Ecclesiastes, you realize the vanity and vexation of spirit in this approach. Time for some of this:

"God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence."
 
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I hope this discussion calms down and doesn't remain heated. That wasn't my intent at all. If I came off as a little frustrated, it's just that you kept citing the Bible when we explicitly were looking for something outside of the Bible.
Hi wsgqapu_ap, I am feeling quite sorry for ripping into you like that, I just got a bit heavy handed and I am known to be passionate about defending the truth. Being humble and gentle are natural strengths to others where I really need to put in extra effort. So I hope I haven't scared you away, how about addressing those two questions for us?
 
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You have to be careful about treating Christianity as another religion. What I mean is that Jesus went to the cross for being a 100% honest prophet of God and having such faith in His role as the very son of God, that God did in fact raise Him and gave Him all power of authority in heaven and earth. That means He has authority over even angels and demons. If you want to believe something that just makes you a know-it-all then shop around and find a good teacher. If you really want to get involved with Jesus then you need to get serious about getting to the bottom of the matter and devote your life to understanding what He did to the world and what the world did to Him in response, and choose whether you stand for what He taught or whether you don't want to make a stand for the truth about God's kingdom.

I'll put it in a nutshell for you: humankind has discovered how to hijack God's kingdom by teaching people how to think in favor of their own teaching. Jesus teaches us how to think for ourselves and to personally know His Father YHWH (the God of the ten commandments who parted the red sea). So there is on one hand a whole industry based on brainwashing the masses, and on the other hand there is the empowering of the individual to get in touch with God for real. That is the narrow gate, and we are taught that if you ever find the narrow gate you'd better be prepared to drop everything and go through it.

I hope this gives you something to think about, please do look into Christianity, you are welcome to ask Jesus to be your teacher and to become His disciple if you want to really work for God. Then again, you could just sign up to any religion and be spoon fed, there's plenty of Christian churches that will open their arms to you like that. It's your life, it's your decision of course. My advice to you is not to close or open doors until you're sure that you know what you are getting in to. Feel free to ask for more clarification of what I've said, I know it's a very shallow introduction :)

Hi, I'm sorry if I sound disrespectful but I don't hold Christianity higher than any other religion. The reason I can't do what you say is because I don't know if what your saying is the truth, I do not know if what your saying about Jesus is the truth because there is no way for me to know without accepting what is said in the bible and I can't hold the bible as credibility for Christianity. Just as with Mormons, I can't see what Smith said about god and Jesus coming to America and showing him golden plates as credibility for proof of Mormonism. Can you see the dilemma?
 
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Lemme jump in here to highlight some really significant stuff:

"there is the empowering of the individual to get in touch with God for real. That is the narrow gate, and we are taught that if you ever find the narrow gate you'd better be prepared to drop everything and go through it." - Antz

I can't hold the bible as credibility for Christianity.

I realize this is not really what you mean, but the Bible MUST be held as the only credible source of what Christianity really is. Notice this is distinct from you adhering to it! But to know what "it" is, is a personal quest that is described quite succinctly above. And you can't really address the query of your OP w/o engaging this quest.

Also notice that when you explain why you "can't do this," you fit right into Jesus' words of the man excusing himself from following Jesus because he had to go bury his Father. These are some very information-laden short sentences here, so it may take some effort to fathom ...
 
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Hi, I'm sorry if I sound disrespectful but I don't hold Christianity higher than any other religion. The reason I can't do what you say is because I don't know if what your saying is the truth, I do not know if what your saying about Jesus is the truth because there is no way for me to know without accepting what is said in the bible and I can't hold the bible as credibility for Christianity. Just as with Mormons, I can't see what Smith said about god and Jesus coming to America and showing him golden plates as credibility for proof of Mormonism. Can you see the dilemma?
If people are trying to “sell” you on their particular brand of religion then they are selling you the wrong thing and you should not buy it. A true Christian would be trying to show you Godly type Love (unselfish, sacrificial, serving and comforting) that the Holy Spirit living in them is expressing. They are here on earth to help/Love (not sell) others. God does not “force” His Love on you and true Christians will not try to force anything on you. If you are not hurting, true Christians should be leaving you alone, since there are plenty of hurting people on this earth to help.

Since you are not hurting and true Christians should be where hurting people are you might have to go see them where there are tragedies, if you want to check them out. Instead of selling you on a religion, we want you to be introduced to God, but since God is simple “Love” you need to see some true Christians extending Love to others. This “God” we want to introduce to you is best met and seen one on one, eyeball to eyeball (not in a book), living in humans the same as He can live in you, if you would like Him to be with you that way.

An all powerful God would not want something from you, but would want to give something to you (the greatest gift He could give). It is up to you to accept or reject the gift (since God is not going to “force” you to take the gift).
 
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Hi, I'm sorry if I sound disrespectful but I don't hold Christianity higher than any other religion. The reason I can't do what you say is because I don't know if what your saying is the truth, I do not know if what your saying about Jesus is the truth because there is no way for me to know without accepting what is said in the bible and I can't hold the bible as credibility for Christianity. Just as with Mormons, I can't see what Smith said about god and Jesus coming to America and showing him golden plates as credibility for proof of Mormonism. Can you see the dilemma?

Christianity does provide the reason why you find it difficult to accept that what I say is true. The good news is that you have just as much opportunity to see the light as anyone does, so you could very well come to see the truth about Jesus if you do decide that you want to see it.

Meanwhile, I've said what I can possibly say to you and you're obviously not interested in discussing your problem so I'll leave you to try and figure it out without my help. PM me if you want my attention, I can't guarantee I'll be watching this topic because you have offended me quite badly. Do you know what it feels like to be called a liar like you just did?
 
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Christianity does provide the reason why you find it difficult to accept that what I say is true. The good news is that you have just as much opportunity to see the light as anyone does, so you could very well come to see the truth about Jesus if you do decide that you want to see it.

Meanwhile, I've said what I can possibly say to you and you're obviously not interested in discussing your problem so I'll leave you to try and figure it out without my help. PM me if you want my attention, I can't guarantee I'll be watching this topic because you have offended me quite badly. Do you know what it feels like to be called a liar like you just did?


Hey I'm sorry but I didn't mean to call you a liar. Your not. As is nobody else who is religious, everyone who believes in a religion is not a liar. Like you, they live their lives by it and believe it to be the truth. What you are telling me is the truth, but it is the truth you believe. A Mormon would tell me the truth is Smith and golden plates. What I am saying I can't hold any religion higher than another as there are many religious truths out there and there is no real way for a person to be able to know for sure. The only way I can think of is get every holy book. Study it and try talk to God and see which feels right. Because lets face it, apostasy is out there but those it has happened too don't believe it, but believe it too happen to others.
 
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The only way I can think of is get every holy book. Study it and try talk to God and see which feels right.

And G-d will speak to you through all of them. Skiing out in the middle of nowhere is a FAR better environment to worship in than within any stained glass windows that I've ever been in! And I'll still say that the Bible will bring you closer to G-d Himself, than any other writing. I'll even pinpoint the Gospel of John as the starting place - "in the beginning."
 
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Hi, I'm new here. My name is David, and I'm going to tell you how I know my faith in Christ is true...

When I first accepted Christ, I was having a health issue. One night the pain had gotten so bad that I curled up in a ball and said, "God help me please..." That's all I said and of course I said it in Jesus' name. The pain went away, and it never returned. I know my faith is true through answered prayers, and these are not coincidences. I have many answered prayers, and all of them were said in Jesus' name. Whenever I'm in doubt I remind myself of what the Lord has done for me. That is the best way I can tell you you can tell which faith is true... Answered prayers!
 
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Hey I'm sorry but I didn't mean to call you a liar. Your not. As is nobody else who is religious, everyone who believes in a religion is not a liar. Like you, they live their lives by it and believe it to be the truth. What you are telling me is the truth, but it is the truth you believe. A Mormon would tell me the truth is Smith and golden plates. What I am saying I can't hold any religion higher than another as there are many religious truths out there and there is no real way for a person to be able to know for sure. The only way I can think of is get every holy book. Study it and try talk to God and see which feels right. Because lets face it, apostasy is out there but those it has happened too don't believe it, but believe it too happen to others.

Well, I have always said I'd trust the surviving documents from those who knew the truth than some holy book that happened to be dictated by an angel who appears to someone out of the blue. Why? Because I trust humans more than angels. Not all angels are good to humans. Don't misunderstand me, some angels really do have God's best interests at heart while others have a different master. Well, you have to make your own decision what you want to believe, but it is good to examine the motives why you would believe it. Fear of hell, want for heaven, love of truth, social club, whatever you put in is what you will reap. Just bear in mind what Jesus said:

You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

He is speaking here of discovering the truth. There are many ways you can pursue the truth, and you can be grafted onto the vine of any teacher you find, but Jesus says He is the true vine:

I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more.

The thing to remember is that there are many different "vines" (schools of thought), but there is only one Jesus the Christ. How do you know you are believing the right person then? That is why you need to pray the sinner's prayer and to ask Jesus into your life. Without having Jesus in your life you only have the people around you and you will only be able to learn rote faith. When Jesus comes into your life then you have the special privilege to learn from The Father (the one who prunes us). This is what it means to be born again, you have a new spiritual life that enables you to read The Bible and to hear God speaking to you as you read it.

I hope you can absorb what I'm saying to you, I know it makes sense because you aren't asking for clarification. I just don't understand why you are afraid of giving The Bible the respect it deserves, a lot of people have put a lot of effort into preserving it for the sakes of you and me. Would you explain a little bit for us about why you are afraid to consider the scriptures? Is it because you think they don't really serve the purpose of putting us in touch with God? If so, let me show you one more thing that Jesus said:

“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

This shows you that you really do have to knock on heavens door and to give up any sin you might like in order to do everything that Jesus expects of you. I remember when I made that covenant with Jesus about a year ago, and now I am free of those sins and learning by the day how to be holy in everything I do. It has been miraculous how I have been reformed from all my sinful ways and pruned into who I am today, as well as having the knowledge of the truth that Jesus has confided to me. And it hasn't been a hard path to follow, because Jesus leads His sheep as a good shepherd that none of us will grow weak and faint. He really is the best teacher you can find.

I guess it goes without need for saying that this is why in response to your OP question, I recommend Jesus to you above any other teacher out there, and you can have His salvation when you are ready to give up your life for His sake, but you should first become familiar with His definition of sin then you will know exactly what He expects of you.
 
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The stone which the builders have rejected shall become the cornerstone. In truth there is only Christianity and Freemasonry. That is all there is or ever was. There is Yahweh and there is Lucifer, but both of them are called "God" by many people. One builds the world that is, and the other the world that is to come. Look beyond the things that are used to divide people into so many different paths. Let your answers be yes or no, for whatever is more then this is of the evil one. It is like a chess game where the enemy controls both sides and causes every piece to go up against another, but I'm being completely honest here when I say there is only the true God and the one who is called the great architect of the universe. The same renounce and reject the name of Jesus, though they know the Bible inside and out.
Hi Haziel, I don't know enough about freemasonry to have an opinion about what you say here, but it has got me thinking.. do you think that we are born with a destiny to belong to either Jesus or Lucifer and when we go about finding who our Father is then we will discover who we serve? The reason I ask is because I see some people get really frustrated that they can't believe the Bible but they obviously have hearts that would love God if they could only see eye-to-eye with Him. I tend to think these are Jesus' lost sheep, those whose hearts have become calloused by choosing not to accept the truth of the Bible and instead to think that they are more qualified than God to say what is "good" and what is "evil". What are your thoughts regarding this and the prophecy of Jesus' return where He will sort the sheep from the goats?
 
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I think when Jesus spoke of the wheat and the tares he was talking about actual descendants of lucifer from when the fallen angels came to earth before the flood in the days of Enoch.

1) I think overall your points are good.
2) I think you speak from a pure heart.
3) I think this little snip I object to is dangerous for many reasons:

A. You change the good "walk after the Spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh" paradigm into flesh vs flesh, which Ephesians 6 tells us is not the case, nor is it our battle. I think it's better to compare Spiritual things to spiritual.

B. Scripture goes to great and gory lengths to tell us how these bloodlines were dealt with, even post-flood. Yes, all of the nastiness unbelievers take exception on CF to has this very purpose. What you're saying is G-d failed.

C. This isn't exactly the "serpent seed" theory, but it has the same flaws, does it not?

Yes I have used the phrase "I think" repeatedly on purpose. Some of it may be well-established in Scripture, but so is "come let us reason together."
 
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Ask of yourself instead 'How can anyone know that any one religion is false?'. You may be able to find more answers in that fashion.


This is the paradox that's so confusing to me. No religions can be proven false, yet the fact there are so many contradicts all of them. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
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the fact there are so many contradicts all of them.

I don't find that to be true, at all. Once you get past the outside layers, they all teach very much the same things. (Except for those that promote war, human sacrifice, and etc)
 
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This is the paradox that's so confusing to me. No religions can be proven false, yet the fact there are so many contradicts all of them. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Simple just use The Rules of Biblical Interpretation. We are given the Holy Spirit to teach us and to guides us into all righteousness. So we do not have to depend upon man, but God will teach us and lead us in the way we are to go.

1) The rule of DEFINITION: What does the word mean? Any study of Scripture must begin with a study of words. Define your terms and then keep to the terms defined. The interpreter should conscientiously abide by the plain meaning of the words. This quite often may require using a Hebrew/English or Greek/English lexicon in order to make sure that the sense of the English translation is understood. A couple of good examples of this are the Greek words "allos" and "heteros". Both are usually translated as "another" in English - yet "allos" literally means "another of the same type" and "heteros" means "another of a different type."


2) The rule of USAGE: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written originally by, to and for Jews. The words and idioms must have been intelligible to them - just as the words of Christ when talking to them must have been. The majority of the New Testament likewise was written in a milieu of Greco-Roman (and to a lesser extent Jewish) culture and it is important to not impose our modern usage into our interpretation. It is not worth much to interpret a great many phrases and histories if one's interpretations are shaded by pre-conceived notions and cultural biases, thereby rendering an inaccurate and ineffectual lesson.​
3) The rule of CONTEXT: The meaning must be gathered from the context. Every word you read must be understood in the light of the words that come before and after it. Many passages will not be understood at all, or understood incorrectly, without the help afforded by the context. A good example of this is the Mormon practice of using 1 Cor. 8:5b: "...for there be gods many and lords many..." as a "proof text" of their doctrine of polytheism. However, a simple reading of the whole verse in the context of the whole chapter (e.g. where Paul calls these gods "so-called"), plainly demonstrates that Paul is not teaching polytheism.​
4) The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: The interpreter must have some awareness of the life and society of the times in which the Scripture was written. The spiritual principle will be timeless but often can't be properly appreciated without some knowledge of the background. If the interpreter can have in his mind what the writer had in his mind when he wrote - without adding any excess baggage from the interpreter's own culture or society - then the true thought of the Scripture can be captured resulting in an accurate interpretation. Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Our only interest in the past is for the light it throws upon the present."​
5) The rule of LOGIC: Interpretation is merely logical reasoning. When interpreting Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere to be assumed. Does the interpretation make sense? The Bible was given to us in the form of human language and therefore appeals to human reason - it invites investigation. It is to be interpreted as we would any other volume: applying the laws of language and grammatical analysis.

6) The rule of PRECEDENT: We must not violate the known usage of a word and invent another for which there is no precedent. Just as a judge's chief occupation is the study of previous cases, so must the interpreter use precedents in order to determine whether they really support an alleged doctrine. Consider the Bereans in Acts 17:10-12 who were called "noble" because they searched the Scriptures to determine if what Paul taught them was true.
7) The rule of UNITY: The parts of Scripture being interpreted must be construed with reference to the significance of the whole. An interpretation must be consistent with the rest of Scripture. An excellent example of this is the doctrine of the Trinity. No single passage teaches it, but it is consistent with the teaching of the whole of Scripture (e.g. the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are referred to individually as God; yet the Scriptures elsewhere teach there is only one God).​
8) The rule of INFERENCE: An inference is a fact reasonably implied from another fact. It is a logical consequence. It derives a conclusion from a given fact or premise. It is the deduction of one proposition from another proposition. Such inferential facts or propositions are sufficiently binding when their truth is established by competent and satisfactory evidence. Competent evidence means such evidence as the nature of the thing to be proved admits. Satisfactory evidence means that amount of proof which would ordinarily satisfy an unprejudiced mind beyond a reasonable doubt. Jesus used this rule when he proved the resurrection of the dead to the unbelieving Sadducees in Matt. 22:23-33.​
 
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The best way for me to try to convince you is to show you the way God has convinced me of his reality and love for me. Below is a list of miracles that God has performed, real miracles not just I recoved from a cold over six weeks, "praise God". God has performed one Instant healing through me but I have not included it here. The miracles below may not show you the great love of God, so I say in advance when you read this know God loves you passionately, actually after you have read come back and read that again to your self, so you hopefully you will then know he does.


One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.

Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bizaar and "A-meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bizaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "A-meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the captors to release Douglas Wood because he had gone to a/or the Bazaar and bought food for homeless people and had provided them with "A-meal". I believe God saw this action too and blessed Douglas Wood with an escape from his captors.

One time I thought about suing some one but felt bad about it because I did not want to give a bad impression about what a Christian is like. So I prayed and asked God to show me clearly what to do. Latter that day I opened my bible at random, selecting a random verse and it opened to 1Co 6:7 "Nay, already it is altogether a defect in you, that ye have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather take wrong? why not rather be defrauded?" So I knew what God was thinking, no lawsuit. From this I do not believe God was saying the legal system is wrong just this particular action.

At one point in my life I was praying for scientific cures for illnesses like cancer. Because I was on a science kick I thought would it not be fun to create a real life dinosaur. I wanted Jesus just for fun to show me how to create a Real Live Dinosaur, he can show us anything you know if he wants, but when I asked him how to start recreating a Dinosaur. Jesus spoke into my head the sentence "bood", a term I had never heard before. I decided to look it up on the Internet and I found out the following: You see, the children of Semai are taught from an early age, the concept of "bood." If a parent asks a child to do something and the child replies " bood," it means in other words, "I don't feel like doing that," and the matter is closed. Bood means gently No.

One day I was witnessing to a Muslim and he asked me why we ate pork. I used the verse out of the bible which says "It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of the mouth". After some general discussion I finished for the night. I asked God to give me a verse from the bible to encourage me. I opened the bible at random and selected a random verse. It opened to the exact same verse that I had used with the Muslim. The one about food not defiling. So I knew that God was approving of what I had been talking about.

Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. - Ecc 7:11 I have always considered it wise to seek God for every thing in life. By this I do not mean "God, what should I eat" or "what should I wear". Not small insignificant things but things that matter. God cares about the things that we see as significant, things that are important to us. There was a point in my life where I was single, unmarried and constantly bombarded by the worlds system of doing things, a system to which I was diametrically opposed. I wanted to find a partner, but was not really sure how to go about it. By trade I am a computer programmer so the Internet was very familiar to me. So I tried internet dating. I remember getting to a point of meeting quite a few people but not really fully clicking with any of them. So I prayed and said out of all the thousands of people that are online in the world there must be some one who could make a good partner for me. So I deliberately listened for God’s voice, and prayed once. The word “Grace” entered my mind. So I typed “Grace” into the search box (that was used to search for profiles). The first profile to come up was of Ru Chen. I had been contacted by Ru Chen once, but we were unable to send messages to one another over the site for some unknown reason. So I tried to contact her again, but again with no success. Some time latter Ru was able to contact me using an email I had sent to her when she had first contacted me, after chatting online for some weeks we decided to meet. We went out together to the movies and just eating out, and seeing each other for some time. Eventually we decided to marry. We went out and bought a ring. Some months latter we got married.

This is a story of God working between me an my wife to get his point accross. One night I was laying on my bed and the verse of scripture came into my mind "With patience possess your souls". Latter that week my wife called me into the bedroom where she was reading the bible not knowing anyting about what I had heard said to me "this is a verse you will like", a thing she never has done before. It was Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near.Jas 5:7-8 It was not that I was not being patient, for I was, when talking to my mother about it we both felt it ment, the coming of the LORD is near means his intervention in our lives is near. When we are patient we reap a harvest of his blessing given time. So by faith I believe some time, sooner or latter God will do something if we just wait patiently and obediently for him to act, even if it is his final salvation on his return.



I was praying for all Muslum countries on the 27 of Febuary 2011, and specifically for the president of Iran, which I do whenever I pray for them. That God might bring them to salvation that can only be found in the Love and mercy of Jesus Christ. Like the bible says there is no other name given under heaven or earth by which man can be saved. I went into the kitchen, and asked the LORD for a verse of scripture for him, I opened the bible up to a verse, It was quite condemning, so I said LORD you must be able to have more mercy than that. So I opend up the bible again and it opened to "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14. I was not sure if either of the verses were for him, so I did not send anything. The next day I was having a break from work and thought of him again. So I prayed LORD do you have anything that I can send to bless him with. This time I was on the computer so I used my electronic bible, a different one to the night before. I randomly selected a verse, not looking at where I was choosing and it rested on the exact same verse I had received the night before. "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14 So I knew God had chosen that verse for him. So I sent him the verse of scripture and an encouragement to seek Jesus. Then on the 6th of March a Sunday I set about praying and fasting, and prayed for the president and all the members of his parliment, again I said LORD give me a verse for them, bless them and bring them to you, even if they have resisted you, just bless them with salvation. I opened the bible and again, and my finger rested on "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14 I have to admit I am not sure what God's plans are for them, but I know they are good because God loves them. I feel these verses sum up the attitude it is wise to have, "The highway of the upright avoids evil; he who guards his way guards his life. Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD". Pro 16:17-20.

I have a client at work (a non Christian) who was wanting to build a web site from which to give 20% to charity. There was only one problem in my eyes he was using his site to support his local watering holes, i.e. pubs and clubs. So I went to God in prayer. I decided to open the bible at random to get a direct word of the LORD for him, to know whether I should continue to support his project, because I felt that the drinking side of things might negatively impact some people. I opened the bible and put my finger on a verse on the page it was Act 20:35 - In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive.'". So Jesus gave me it was “It is more blessed to give than to receive”. So from that I knew God was really pleased with his heart attitude, and I believe will bless him, regardless of the faults in terms of drinking. I am still undecided however as to whether God really would have liked me to support the drinking side of it. I know obviously he does not want us to drink. But I guess that is enough rambling from now. Hopefully you get the point God loves him.

This is a bit of a personal story. I once fell in love with a person (when I was first a Christian) and they rejected me big time, which always seemed to happen to me, I got angry with God and blamed Him and told him I no longer wanted to be a Christian, and committed a sin I used to do before I was a Christian. From that time on I was constantly haunted, an still am some times, thinking that I had been rejected by God because of it. For years I went through hell, believing fully I was destined for eternal fire. I was filled with dread, and anger. But over time I started to go back to church, and every where I went pastors, people in prayer lines, and people having lunch would say “I feel this verse is for you” and give me the verse I am about to write, or they would just say it, it was “I know the thought I think toward you says the LORD for good and not evil, to give you a future and a hope”, so I began to get a feeling of hope. So some times latter when my faith had increased some what I would open the bible at random asking God for answers and if I had doubt I would ask, was he still there for me. When this happened my bible kept opening to Eze 18:31-32 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live! I kept focusing on the parts, “Why will you die” – it was like God was saying, there is no need to die, I am forgiving, and the part “I take no pleasure in the death of anyone”. It kept happening so often that I began to wonder if these was a crease in the page of my bible, that kept it opening to that page. I guess in my heart I still believed it was God. Then one day I was playing with my nephew in his house, he looked up at me and a thought went through my mind, one of those haunting thoughts, it said “See you are really an evil man, as a young person, he sees right through your deceit”, i.e. the accusation was that I was pretending to be a Christian. On the desk in one of the bedrooms was an old 100 year old bible, I thought I will open it to see what God thinks, and guess what passage it opened to Ezekiel 18. As follows Eze 18:31-32 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
 
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