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How Are You Save without Works and Just Faith?

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So is worshipping on Sunday yielding your members to sin?

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26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. JN 10

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. JN 15

Jesus is speaking to Jews in both instances.

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Do you believe the commands Jesus gave in the gospels are for Jews only? Like the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-Matthew 7), is that for you or just Jews?
 
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No. There are basically 2 statements in Ps 14:1-3. It isn't the fool that says there are none. Notice that big red dot after the word God in v 1.

14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Remember what Jesus said -

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7

Surely v 22 speaks of good works even done in God's (Jesus') name. Yet Jesus calls them workers of iniquity and tells them to leave. Hmmm!!!
It isn't the fool that said there are none that do good.
There is no sin that can be forgiven?
What?!!

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Mat 7

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So is worshipping on Sunday yielding your members to sin?

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Again...In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.)

Paul say in Hebrews 10: (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
 
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All we need to do is love.
Micah chapter 6
8He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.

Lets take a look and see what Solomon saying regards to all we have to do in Ecclesiastes 12:13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. [14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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Sorry but nothing from Matthew here which was the basis for your statement. Do you have something from Mat 5-7 for me?

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Sorry but nothing from Matthew here which was the basis for your statement. Do you have something from Mat 5-7 for me?

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Sorry, but my answer was right on. I have nothing for you at this time.
 
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Where does I JN 3:4 say only?

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But you refuse to accept I JN 3:23.

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James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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You don't obey the law or the commandments no one ever did but Christ if you don't do it perfectly you broke everything.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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This is talking about helping people.
though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
This explains the law once you have faith that expresses itself in love as Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 says.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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We're not saved by our faith.


We're saved by God's grace. We don't work to keep ourselves ingratiated to God either. We hold faith that Grace is the beginning of our new opportunity to better ourselves from what and who we were . And when we are redeemed and born again the old self is put away and no longer exists in the eyes of God. Nor does our understanding of who we are and our place in this world.
That's why newborn Christians act differently than they did before. Rather than works that seems to be a word that confuses the talking point, maybe we should use behavior instead. Our behaviors change. Our outlook changes. We manifest God's word, Jesus ministry, by doing our thing with the guidance of his holy spirit. And that is what makes the truth in scripture real and more than words on a page.

The Bible isn't written for the understanding of non-Christians. It's the guidebook , the journaling of Abba Father , so that the faithful can glean support and understanding in their walk. Living in a very different reality than what we formerly thought was just us and everything in this world that was for the taking.

We give now. And the taking is replaced by the blessing of knowing why.
 
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Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
 
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In the scriptures its written in Proverbs 15: [31] The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise. [32] He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. [33] The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
 
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Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
 
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whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.

Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat

He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
 
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its useless to quote scripture that does not even have any relevance in your thread topic of being 'saved'. you must have confused 'saving' with 'obeying', unless of course you have assumed everyone thinks obeying equals or results in saving.

 
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