Oh, wait, YOU were the faith healer?
Ok, did the mother actually say one arm was shorter than the other? Was the arm fully exposed?
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You present the Miracle as if it was a true con act. And you insist that I was "decieved". You knew with certainty your conclusions were correct. Why?
I've purposely held back information from "doubters" for this very lowly talk promotion reason. All you have in hand is doubt, and you promoted incorrect conclusions of the Miracle and my witness.
You do remember I was the one who prayed to Jesus to heal the child. What I have held back, what you did not know, is what I did "before and during the prayer". I held the child. The child was in my arms.
You have "twisted" enough about this Miracle through your errant unbelief in Him and about the Power of the Kingdom of God in our midst.
You "twisted" the event where body matter was spontaneously Created by Him on High in healing the arm.
The little arm was cupped in my hand during the work Jesus did.
Why did you throw Him to the side and discuss what lowly people do on earth? Why did you change the focus of the Miracle? Why did you promote deception? This was about a Miracle!
You just would not focus on the Miracle. You just would not promote integrity nor truth. And you kept pushing lowly questions "that had to be answered" but they were with guile.
Yes, I took the child from the mother, I love kids! And I love holding them and talking to them!
I spoke for a while to the child, during which time I felt the desire of the mother's heart. It penetrated me. It was a spontaneous prayer once I handled and then cupped the little deformed arm. Deep within me I knew the child would continue to live with the deformed arm in my hand IF God on High did not do the Miraculous. It was like I could see into the future and was asking God "how should his arm be in his days to come?" The atmosphere became electric. I could give more but let's just say God showed up. Period.
All who walk in doubt and unbelief you received a false testimony from TLK!
Now twist what extra information I just gave, twist it back to "how you want it", how the natural processes account for all that happens on earth!
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Can you give me a reason for how you knew to say what you posted?
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You present the Miracle as if it was a true con act. And you insist that I was "decieved". You knew with certainty your conclusions were correct. Why?
I've purposely held back information from "doubters" for this very lowly talk promotion reason. All you have in hand is doubt, and you promoted incorrect conclusions of the Miracle and my witness.
You do remember I was the one who prayed to Jesus to heal the child. What I have held back, what you did not know, is what I did "before and during the prayer". I held the child. The child was in my arms.
You have "twisted" enough about this Miracle through your errant unbelief in Him and about the Power of the Kingdom of God in our midst.
You "twisted" the event where body matter was spontaneously Created by Him on High in healing the arm.
The little arm was cupped in my hand during the work Jesus did.
Why did you throw Him to the side and discuss what lowly people do on earth? Why did you change the focus of the Miracle? Why did you promote deception? This was about a Miracle!
You just would not focus on the Miracle. You just would not promote integrity nor truth. And you kept pushing lowly questions "that had to be answered" but they were with guile.
Yes, I took the child from the mother, I love kids! And I love holding them and talking to them!
I spoke for a while to the child, during which time I felt the desire of the mother's heart. It penetrated me. It was a spontaneous prayer once I handled and then cupped the little deformed arm. Deep within me I knew the child would continue to live with the deformed arm in my hand IF God on High did not do the Miraculous. It was like I could see into the future and was asking God "how should his arm be in his days to come?" The atmosphere became electric. I could give more but let's just say God showed up. Period.
All who walk in doubt and unbelief you received a false testimony from TLK!
Now twist what extra information I just gave, twist it back to "how you want it", how the natural processes account for all that happens on earth!
[serious];65807590 said:Oh, wait, YOU were the faith healer?
You do remember I was the one who prayed to Jesus to heal the child. What I have held back, what you did not know, is what I did "before and during the prayer". I held the child. The child was in my arms.
The little arm was cupped in my hand during the work Jesus did.
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Why continue to "personalize" the Miracle?
The study of miracles is not one of my fields of expertise.
I'm not sure how I can answer your questions.
Some miracles can't be distinguished from a natural occurrence.
Say you're observing a car driving down the highway from a helicopter.
The driver falls asleep, and the car starts to veer to the right, off the road.
Let's say, for the sake of this exercise, that God sends an [invisible] angel to protect the driver.
The angel straightens the car out.
From the helicopter, it would simply look like the driver righted the car; when, in fact, it was an angel that did it.
You'd lose.Actually, my experience is my defense.
I've seen this con before -- up close.
The more people describe your physical experience the more you resemble an ax murderer form the Ozarks. Perhaps we should hang you, then, just to be sure. After all, you fit the description to a T. Would you want to be tried by that logic?I know of Heiss' description of the event that it fits the description of such a con to a T -- the more he describes, the more it fits.
Even if you could cast doubt on his story, you can't prove your own assertions. You made an accusation you couldn't possibly validate. Care to be an adult and admit it?As for proof, all we have is Heiss' testimony (which grows more shaky with every detail) and his own assertion that as one of the "anointed," he cannot be deceived by men.
If I was there and saw it, I'd have to say it was a miracle.I choose not to call a miracle based on iffy testimony and personal pride. How about you?
Indeed they can. Whether they do or not doesn't change that you committed the act by stating as fact something you had no way to prove.As for "libel." If the mother or the miracle worker feel they have been libeled, they can feel free to sue me.
For me to say that it couldn't happen, I would have to say that miracles do not happen ever. However, I know for a fact that they do.
Whether they do or not doesn't change that you committed the act by stating as fact something you had no way to prove.
You'd lose.
Even if you could demonstrate that the scenario was a favorite with con artists, that has no relevance to the specific case about which you know nothing.
The more people describe your physical experience the more you resemble an ax murderer form the Ozarks. Perhaps we should hang you, then, just to be sure. After all, you fit the description to a T. Would you want to be tried by that logic?
Even if you could cast doubt on his story, you can't prove your own assertions. You made an accusation you couldn't possibly validate. Care to be an adult and admit it?
If I was there and saw it, I'd have to say it was a miracle.
For me to say that it couldn't happen, I would have to say that miracles do not happen ever. However, I know for a fact that they do.
So whether this happened or not we can't know. All we can do is to make a judgment based on the credulity of the witness.
I find him credible.
Except he's not just a witness anymore -- he's saying it was his prayers that did it. God didn't act until the baby was in his hands...
Finding him credible is your right, of course -- I choose to be even more skeptical once the focus is taken off God and onto Heiss...
Indeed they can. Whether they do or not doesn't change that you committed the act by stating as fact something you had no way to prove.
Except I can prove it -- you see, much like Heiss, I, too, have been holding back some information until the opportune moment.
You'll noticed I never once asked Heiss about any of the particulars of the even -- when, where, or whom. As it happens, I have no need to do this, because I was there as well.
Using my psychic powers of astral projection, I was able to project my consciousness into the past to witness the event unseen and undetected, and, not hindered by a corporeal form, was able to get an up close and personal look at the "miracle" and confirm that, yes, it was indeed a fake.
And that, my boy, is why I take issue with these "miracle" stories -- not because I believe them to be impossible, but because, just as a legitimate doctor despises quacks and legitimate religious leaders despise cults, I take issue with phony displays of the "supernatural."
Of course you don't believe me -- but you can't prove me wrong.
Alas, the only person who does know anything about the situation only recently revealed himself as the one who did it. Can you say "credibility gap"?
Yes, yes... "God did it; Heiss was just His instrument, blah blah blah..." you know what I mean.
What logic? You're babbling.
Well, it is my word against the word of a faith healer, what kind of adult would dare go up against those odds?
You would have to, wouldn't you?
Now, if you were there and said you did it... yes, yes, God does it, you were just his instrument, blah blah blah... do I have to say it was a miracle?
So you know for a fact that this one did happen?
Except he's not just a witness anymore -- he's saying it was his prayers that did it. God didn't act until the baby was in his hands...
Finding him credible is your right, of course -- I choose to be even more skeptical once the focus is taken off God and onto Heiss...
Except I can prove it -- you see, much like Heiss, I, too, have been holding back some information until the opportune moment.
You'll noticed I never once asked Heiss about any of the particulars of the even -- when, where, or whom. As it happens, I have no need to do this, because I was there as well.
Using my psychic powers of astral projection, I was able to project my consciousness into the past to witness the event unseen and undetected, and, not hindered by a corporeal form, was able to get an up close and personal look at the "miracle" and confirm that, yes, it was indeed a fake.
And that, my boy, is why I take issue with these "miracle" stories -- not because I believe them to be impossible, but because, just as a legitimate doctor despises quacks and legitimate religious leaders despise cults, I take issue with phony displays of the "supernatural."
Of course you don't believe me -- but you can't prove me wrong.
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What has happened to the healing of the little child's arm Miracle event?
Has it been denied, twisted, distorted, taken away from, added to, and ............?
More up to date evidence that it occurred!
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Indeed, any two-bit con artist can do it.
many of them count on the mark's willingness to believe, or their pride in refusing to accept that they've been duped.
In the case of religious cons, the perpetrators can find both in abundance.
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Your "experience" you have acquired is only about the acts of the lowly, the fakes, that manmade and man produced.
You have no "experience" in the real, true Power from on High Miracles, now do you!
And you have produced multiple post with "authority" on the subject matter of Miracles? How can this be???
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And you have no reason to judge anyone or expect them to believe you. None, you refuse to provide names, dates, nothing that would indicate the miracle you claim to have seen to be real. Someone would have to be super gullible to believe your personal miracle actually was real and happened, even if they were a person who believed miracles happened.
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Your "experience" you have acquired is only about the acts of the lowly, the fakes, that manmade and man produced.
You have no "experience" in the real, true Power from on High Miracles, now do you!
And you have produced multiple post with "authority" on the subject matter of Miracles? How can this be???
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Except I can prove it -- you see, much like Heiss, I, too, have been holding back some information until the opportune moment.
You'll noticed I never once asked Heiss about any of the particulars of the even -- when, where, or whom. As it happens, I have no need to do this, because I was there as well.
Using my psychic powers of astral projection, I was able to project my consciousness into the past to witness the event unseen and undetected, and, not hindered by a corporeal form, was able to get an up close and personal look at the "miracle" and confirm that, yes, it was indeed a fake.
And that, my boy, is why I take issue with these "miracle" stories -- not because I believe them to be impossible, but because, just as a legitimate doctor despises quacks and legitimate religious leaders despise cults, I take issue with phony displays of the "supernatural."
Of course you don't believe me -- but you can't prove me wrong.
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Do you want to enter the real world and discuss realities found and experienced by hundreds of thousands or do a one off miracle "equal right to who is true"?
Read the book from Gordon Lindsay and William Branham - the events of Supernatural healings are documented by the thousands. All these to the masses in the mid 1900's. Tell me Miracles do not happen, that there is no Supernatural displayed from above!
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It takes only one Miracle to prove Naturalism has an erroneous foundation, that Naturalism is a lie, that the Supernatural does influence the natural.
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