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How are we picking up our crosses everyday and why?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Wordkeeper, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Wordkeeper

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    Jesus commanded us to pick up the cross everyday and follow him. Meaning we should do what he did.

    If he picked up the cross everyday, did he die everyday? And was he resurrected everyday?

    The answer to the question is "yes" in both cases. Jesus picked up the cross by offering himself to be killed and he was killed by those he offered himself up to. How?

    Jesus would make claims that would seem unsupportable, go out on a limb, take risks, do things that were dangerous to do, simply because doing them meant he would be attacked if he failed. This could mean teaching things that were hard to explain, or trying to do a miracle.

    When he succeeded in these tasks, he was what I call resurrected. He risked attack, was attacked, and recovered.

    Why would he do this? Because he wanted to save men from futile life, a life they were living. Where they turned to inadequate means, their own strength, to earn impermanent returns. A very poor situation. He wanted to convince them to come out from this situation and turn to a very capable person, God, and work for Him for rewards with substance. Which is what God had created them for. However, in a similar situation, Moses noted that men would prefer to continue in the bad situation they were in, rather than risking danger in a new venture with an unknown partner. He needed help to convince Israel to follow him and come out of Egypt and the only way they would do it would be if they knew that God was with him.

    So picking up the cross is the same as exercising the faith Moses showed in going forward and depending on God to perform the
    signs and wonders which would convince Israel to come out of Egypt.

    Remember, signs and wonders help, but cannot force people to follow God.

    Even if a person comes back from the dead, even that cannot convince people to serve God.

    However, because Moses obeyed God when he heard His voice, he was able to bless Israel, deliver her from oppression in Egypt. Because Joshua obeyed God similarly, Rahab was delivered from idol worship, serving that which could only pay temporary returns and even that, inadequately, to serving the Almighty for eternal treasure.

    If you and I similarly hear God's voice and obey, unlike Israel, we can share in Christ's work of blessing the world.
     
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  2. 1213

    1213 Disciple of Jesus

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    I have understood it means, that we take our burden, we do our duty.
     
  3. Wordkeeper

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    Sure, but what is our burden? And how does the sending of Christ, his death and resurrection become good news if we have received burdens?
     
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    Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    Galatians 5:24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
     
  5. Wordkeeper

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    I believe we have to start thinking of the cross as the ability to do signs and wonders given to Moses. Like Christ, he knew he had been given the ability to be a vessel through whom God could do miracles so that Israel would be convinced that God was with him and repent, turn away from the world to follow God.

    However, it was risky to step out in faith: what if God did not act?

    The knowledge that God would be with us is the enlightenment, and the Gospel message is that the Holy Spirit which gives this knowledge is now sent. Note the difference in mindset of the apostles before the Spirit was given, the change from fear to eagerness to exhibit God's presence in their midst. The Kingdom of God had come amongst them. The people of God (now including Gentiles) had finally become blessings to the world.

    Galatians 3:13, 14
    13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON ATREE”— 14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
     
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    Jesus' cruel torture, humiliation and murder is a literal ransom payment. Look how significant the cross is to the 3000 on Pentecost (Acts 2), because without them crucifying the Messiah they would not have been baptized that day.

    The indwelling portion of the Spirit is different than having Spiritual gifts?
     
  7. Wordkeeper

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    We have to explain how Jesus taught WE have to pick up our cross (risk death) everyday and imitate Him.
    Israel was baptized through the water and the cloud. Immediately she began to receive revelations, began to drink from the Rock. Only Joshua and Caleb retained the teachings. They left idolatry, serving self. The Spirit leads into truth. Spiritual gifts are desired, gone after, and received.

    Truth is received without asking, gifts after asking. So yes, there is a difference. Moses received truth and left Pharaoh's palace. He ASKED for gifts to help in ministry.
     
  8. 1213

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    Burden of disciples of Jesus is to follow Jesus and do the job of disciples of Jesus.

    Being a disciple of Jesus brings many things, for example the hate of those who are not.

    Resurrection is good news, because it means, death is won and Jesus still lives.
     
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