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How and why we keep the Sabbath holy...

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IMHO, A feeling of acceptance is not the way underwritten by Scripture whereby one fulfills the requirement of the law. It does help, and it is part of it, but Romans 8 shows that this feeling of acceptance and the motivation of love is only part, and if not followed up with walking by the spirit based on the principles of chapters 6 & 7, it will prove to be a requirement still outside our reach.

“Every hungry-hearted Christian yearns to be fully consecrated and conditioned for effective life and service. And from the outset, until hard experience teaches him otherwise, the well-meaning believer thinks that since he has the will to obey God and to be what He intends for him, he should attempt to carry it out through personal consecrated effort with His help. He seeks to struggle forward via the love motive, i.e., He did for me, so I must do for Him.”

A superficial acquaintance with God’s plan leads to the view that while justification is God’s work, by faith in Christ, sanctification (growth) is our work, to be performed under the influence of the gratitude we feel for the deliverance we have experienced, and by the aid of the Holy Spirit. But the earnest Christian soon finds how little gratitude can supply the power. When he thinks that more prayer will supply it, he finds that, indispensable as prayer is, it is not enough. Often the believer struggles hopelessly for years, until he listens to the teaching of the Spirit, as He glorifies Christ again, and reveals Christ, our Sanctification, to be appropriated by faith alone.”
- Andrew Murray

The warning God gives us regarding sin is not the sin, but rather, what sin does to the heart. The deceitfullness of sin hardens the heart. A hard heart is one who has turned away from the work that God is doing within us to save us.

As long as there is a battle going on within us to do what is right, whether we do it or not each and every time, we now God is working.

I like how the Message Bible puts it.

Romans 7

The Message (MSG)

1-3 You shouldn't have any trouble understanding this, friends, for you know all the ins and outs of the law—how it works and how its power touches only the living. For instance, a wife is legally tied to her husband while he lives, but if he dies, she's free. If she lives with another man while her husband is living, she's obviously an adulteress. But if he dies, she is quite free to marry another man in good conscience, with no one's disapproval.

4-6So, my friends, this is something like what has taken place with you. When Christ died he took that entire rule-dominated way of life down with him and left it in the tomb, leaving you free to "marry" a resurrection life and bear "offspring" of faith for God. For as long as we lived that old way of life, doing whatever we felt we could get away with, sin was calling most of the shots as the old law code hemmed us in. And this made us all the more rebellious. In the end, all we had to show for it was miscarriages and stillbirths. But now that we're no longer shackled to that domineering mate of sin, and out from under all those oppressive regulations and fine print, we're free to live a new life in the freedom of God. But I can hear you say, "If the law code was as bad as all that, it's no better than sin itself." That's certainly not true. The law code had a perfectly legitimate function. Without its clear guidelines for right and wrong, moral behavior would be mostly guesswork. Apart from the succinct, surgical command, "You shall not covet," I could have dressed covetousness up to look like a virtue and ruined my life with it.

8-12Don't you remember how it was? I do, perfectly well. The law code started out as an excellent piece of work. What happened, though, was that sin found a way to pervert the command into a temptation, making a piece of "forbidden fruit" out of it. The law code, instead of being used to guide me, was used to seduce me. Without all the paraphernalia of the law code, sin looked pretty dull and lifeless, and I went along without paying much attention to it. But once sin got its hands on the law code and decked itself out in all that finery, I was fooled, and fell for it. The very command that was supposed to guide me into life was cleverly used to trip me up, throwing me headlong. So sin was plenty alive, and I was stone dead. But the law code itself is God's good and common sense, each command sane and holy counsel. I can already hear your next question: "Does that mean I can't even trust what is good [that is, the law]? Is good just as dangerous as evil?" No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own.

14-16I can anticipate the response that is coming: "I know that all God's commands are spiritual, but I'm not. Isn't this also your experience?" Yes. I'm full of myself—after all, I've spent a long time in sin's prison. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary.

17-20But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time.

21-23It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge. I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm at the end of my rope. Is there no one who can do anything for me? Isn't that the real question? The answer, thank God, is that Jesus Christ can and does. He acted to set things right in this life of contradictions where I want to serve God with all my heart and mind, but am pulled by the influence of sin to do something totally different.
 
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We won't go wrong by listening to the message Romans 6, 7, & 8 has to say to us. The more times read, the better.

- Read
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Amen... these are beautiful verses that speak of our new life of right living...:clap:

Rom 6:12-13 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, so that you obey its desires. And do not offer any parts of it to sin as weapons for unrighteousness. But as those who are alive from the dead, offer yourselves to God, and all the parts of yourselves to God as weapons for righteousness.
 
 

 
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For the record, I don't try to re-educate you on the pillars and platform of our faith because, as you have said many, many times, you have been an Adventist for 50 years and are highly educated in all these things... to me, you already know what the majority of Adventists believe and have chosen to go your own way, to have your own personal interpretation... in my opinion, the wrong understanding...

You certainly have that prerogative, I am not going to try and convince you otherwise, thats the Holy Spirits domain.


EastCoastRemnant:

Dear friend I have never asked for you to "re-educate" me as you put it. Also the pillars and platform of our faith is what our faith first believed. The pioneers of the true faith of the Adventist church was constantly studying and praying like the disciples "breaking bread" daily. They was learning and understanding truth but as always tares grows into the church and then comes traditions and doctrines not Biblically sound at all. Leaders as the Pharisees and Rabbis of old that made up the Talmud and wanted people to follow their writings instead of the Bible. These men felt that they had the only right and power to interpreted Yahweh words.
It has happen again today with doctrines and Tradition not from Elohim words but when someone comes and said "look let us review what we once believed to see if these things are" we are the one who are labeled as interpreting the Bible. What have I interpreted in the Bible sir please shows me? Is there anywhere in the Bible where you can show the words "Sunday Blue laws" as the mark of the beast? Is there a harlot riding the beast pray tells who is she and how can she and the beast be the same person?
Did Sister White ever call herself a prophet or a prophetess if so where? Did she not say that Yashua told her that she wall call to be a messenger for Him? If this is so what right do you or the Church make a claim against the Most High you say you believe?

Armageddon starting with Daniel 12:7, 11, 12 and Rev 11:13-19; 16:12-21; 17:12-18; 18:17-24 all gives time in the prophecy. First 1,260 days = 3 1/2 years or 3 years and 6 months; next is 1,290 days or 3 years and 7 months. Finally in Daniel it states 1,335 days or 3 years 8 months and 15 days. Now notice there is two last woes mention in Revelation l1 and they are between the six and seven Trumpets. Certain things take place which start in Rev Chapter nine but ends in Chapter Eleven. For time sake we will just deal with last few events first a voice is heard out of Heaven and the two witnessed is taken to Heaven. Next an hour is mention and we are still dealing with prophecy of time. An hour is 60 that equal two months if you follow me. During these two months something happens if I am correct there is an earthquake and tenth part of the city falls and seven thousand dies and the righteous remnant was afraid but still praise Elohim. When the third woe comes and the seven angel blows than the voice states that the kingdom of the world belongs to the Messiah. Nation are angry, now they are being judged, reward to the prophet and saints. Elohim Temple is open and the Ark of the Covenant is seen the lightning, thunder, voices and great hail.
Rev16:12-21 shows the sixth angels pour out his vial on the River Euphrates that was already dried up to prepare the kings of the east. Frog of unclean spirits come out of Satan/dragon the beast/man, and the false prophet these are spirits that work miracles. These spirits goes forth the kings of the earth and also the whole world gather them together for the great battle known as Armageddon on that great day of Elohim Almighty the Father! Now Yashua states while this about to take place He will come as a thief in the night just be ready. Then the seventh angel pour out his vial and the same thing heard in Rev Chapter Eleven under the third woe and seventh angel blowing the final trumpet is the loud voice from Heaven saying it is done, other voices, thunder, lightning, great earthquake that was really great.

Finally Babylon had come up to remembrance to Elohim because He great wrath. Other nations also fell but it was after Babylon had been destroyed that hail fell on men. Rev 17:12-18 gives more detail that the ten kings are: they had no power before but they do under the beast and prophetic time repeats an hour or two months. They give their power to the beast himself. Verse 14 shows that they plan to make war with the Lamb but will be overcome by the Savior but not now. It continues with their first goal the harlot of Babylon the great city Jerusalem! They hate the harlot, burn her, make her naked and desolate. For this is the Father's plan and not Yashua which is stated clearly in the Bible that is His wrath because of her sins. Then it tells you who the harlot is Babylon or Jerusalem which includes the papacy.

Finally Rev 18:17-24 repeats the one hour represented as two months that the beast reign this city and the papacy is destroyed and to finalize her destruction an angel comes with a milestone and sank this city underneath the sea.

Now I have given you a synopsis of the events that will take place just before the Savior returns and destroy the beast without a fight or war. Yes the beast wants to make war but he will not be prepared because Yashua will come like a thief in the night. While he is destroying the harlot Yashua is on the way and only the saints will understand the day and hour. Count and add 75 days to 1,260 days and it will add up to 1,335 days. The Father will let His saints know within 15 days help is on the way. Even Pastor Doug stated that more understanding is needed on Dan 12 and Yahweh has given me the gift of understanding not interpretation. Anyone who is an SDA including my dear friend ECR provide where is the Sunday Blue law anywhere in the Bible. Is the fourth Commandment stated by EGW presented yes because it is the Creator of Heaven and earth that will come and vindicate justice and truth under that statute!

I boast no claim nor feel that everything I say or have done is right but I stand before the Almighty and declare that truth is simple through understanding by the power of the Holy Spirit!!! I just want you to simply answer the questions above Biblically that's all and don't offend others not of our faith who have not anwsered.

Blessings on ECR you are a good man and I praying for you please pray for me,
stinsonmarri
 
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I keep the Sabbath Holy every day :)

As Stryder said, it's impossible to keep everyday as Sabbath because the Sabbath is one day of the week, the seventh. If you can show Biblically that the Sabbath was changed to all days of the week, post up...
 
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As Stryder said, it's impossible to keep everyday as Sabbath because the Sabbath is one day of the week, the seventh. If you can show Biblically that the Sabbath was changed to all days of the week, post up...

I can't speak for Merlinius, but I can find Bible verses that speak of the Sabbath being commanded to the people of the nation of Israel. Can you show me a verse or two saying the sabbath is commanded to Gentile Christians?
 
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was the sabbath part of the ten commandment? now if the ten commandment is for jew only, why we follow the ten commandment if it is for the jew?

sabbath is for every one, for God ceased from his work on the seventh! does it feel good if we rest also to his day?

The explanation of the sabbath commandment is given in Exodus 31, and was given before the tablets were passed on to the Israelites. It says in no uncertain terms the Sabbath was given to the Israelites exclusively as a sign and a covenant.

Just because the Sabbath was included in the ten commandments does not mean it was meant for all time for everyone. Can you find anywhere it was commanded to Gentile Christians, and not just Israel like the Bible says? When the explanation of the fourth commandment says it is specifically for the nation of Israel, do you believe it or not?
 
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are you also aware that the bible itself was written to the israelites? americans,germans,etc are not even included... now why we read the bible if we are not included.. the sabbath is a very special among all days for the sabbath is been sanctified it self by GOD.... remember Jesus is also a jew!
 
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I keep the Sabbath Holy every day :)

The seventh day comes only once a week. If it were possible to keep the Sabbath every day you would find it happening in the old testiment as well.

You can keep your life holy every day, which means that everything you do, you do to the glory of God. But the seventh day is holy in of itself and falls outside of your life. In other words, if you didn't keep your life holy the seventh day would still be holy.

We, as new covenant Christians, have a double blessing in the seventh day Sabbath.

We have a blessing from God in the seventh day and it's an honor to remember it, in that, it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and creation is a testimony of the love our Creator has for us. We can enjoy God's creation every day but we stop on the memorial of creation to honor and celebrate what it represents.

We, as Christians, also have a blessing in the seventh day in that it is a memorial of the finished work of the cross and is testimony of the love God has for us. We can enjoy the finished work of the cross every day because it makes us a new creation but Jesus rested in the grave on the Sabbath so He could make us a new creation.

Both the finished work of creation and the finshed work of the cross are both due honor, respect and celebration from God's people.

Important note: If you are not living every day in the finshed work of the cross as a new creature in Christ then it really doesn't matter if you keep the seventh day holy.
 
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The seventh day comes only once a week. If it were possible to keep the Sabbath every day you would find it happening in the old testiment as well.

You can keep your life holy every day, which means that everything you do, you do to the glory of God. But the seventh day is holy in of itself and falls outside of your life. In other words, if you didn't keep your life holy the seventh day would still be holy.

We, as new covenant Christians, have a double blessing in the seventh day Sabbath.

We have a blessing from God in the seventh day and it's an honor to remember it, in that, it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and creation is a testimony of the love our Creator has for us. We can enjoy God's creation every day but we stop on the memorial of creation to honor and celebrate what it represents.

We, as Christians, also have a blessing in the seventh day in that it is a memorial of the finished work of the cross and is testimony of the love God has for us. We can enjoy the finished work of the cross every day because it makes us a new creation but Jesus rested in the grave on the Sabbath so He could make us a new creation.

Both the finished work of creation and the finshed work of the cross are both due honor, respect and celebration from God's people.

Important note: If you are not living every day in the finshed work of the cross as a new creature in Christ then it really doesn't matter if you keep the seventh day holy.

Nice!! :thumbsup:

Our knowledge of the significance of the seventh day Sabbath is in it's infancy... we are told that we will gain a greater understanding in these last days. Brother, it seems to me, the Lord is revealing some of this 'new light' through you... may God continue to bless you abundantly!
 
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I can't speak for Merlinius, but I can find Bible verses that speak of the Sabbath being commanded to the people of the nation of Israel. Can you show me a verse or two saying the sabbath is commanded to Gentile Christians?

Have you considered this verse?

Isaiah 56:2-7
Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.


Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
 
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I belong to spiritual Israel that is why I keep the Sabbath!

LOL! "spiritual Israel!" That's a good one! :D:D:D

Well, in that "spirit",

I'm keeping the "spiritual Sabbath." or if you like it better,
I'm "spiritually keeping the Sabbath."

There, end of argument. Now everyone can be happy. I'm just as much Sabbath-compliant as anyone is a part of "spiritual" Israel.

Two questions for SDA's:

1) Since the spirit of man is nothing but breath, does that mean that this person is part of Israel's breath?

Or, more importantly,

2) since spirit and body are one in the holistic model of man, how can a true SDA person believe in the existence of a "spiritual Israel" apart from the physical Israel? It seems a doctrinal inconsistency. :confused:

 
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I was wondering why the apostle Paul didn't put it on his list for those who live a certian way, wouldn't inherit salvation, I mean lets face it Paul was about as picky as it gets, naming everything from lying to homosexuality, to robbing temples, to adultry, idolatry, to slander and drunkeness to every sin under the sun, if we were to pick out and list all the sins Paul talks about, it would be pretty extensive......Do you ever once wonder why keeping the sabath was never listed, or mentioned in a way that it should be kept......I mean he does refer to it in Colossians 2, but actually its opposite of what you hold as true
Let no one judge you on how you keep the sabbaths, the feasts,.. etc.. because they are the body of Yeshua.. and a shadow of things to come.
 
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LOL! "spiritual Israel!" That's a good one! :D:D:D

Well, in that "spirit",

I'm keeping the "spiritual Sabbath." or if you like it better,
I'm "spiritually keeping the Sabbath."

There, end of argument. Now everyone can be happy. I'm just as much Sabbath-compliant as anyone is a part of "spiritual" Israel.

Two questions for SDA's:

1) Since the spirit of man is nothing but breath, does that mean that this person is part of Israel's breath?

Or, more importantly,

2) since spirit and body are one in the holistic model of man, how can a true SDA person believe in the existence of a "spiritual Israel" apart from the physical Israel? It seems a doctrinal inconsistency. :confused:


the term was used "spiritual israel" in my opinion keyboard believed to the israel to their spiritual faith... now i have a question for you, are you even aware that the jew was the chosen people by GOD? why not americans,german, Chinese,etc. where not chosen? because they lack of faith, they didnt believe God.. even the bible was written also the jew, .. why are we still reading if it is not for us?... so to make things short i follow God, the law is not an excuse to not following it, it shows us disobedience for not following it towards God.. remember adam and eve, they sined because of disobedience ..
 
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