How an Evangelical Creationist Accepted Evolution

[JonFromMinnesota]

You don't even know.

What is your falsifiable test for creationism? You aren't doing science if you can't perform this type of test. I can name a few right off the top of my head for evolution....and it's passed them all.
What predictions can creationism make about the natural world? Please explain in detail before you say that you are interpreting the same evidence.

 

[Hieronymus]

I listen to the creationist arguments, just as I did when I was a creationist. The extent that apologists would go to misrepresent, and even outright lie about, that "same scientific data," was appalling to me as a Christian.

Yes, there are some fools who think they can handle the subject, but i think you can see idiots on every side.
Maybe you didn't realise the paradigms are very different, resulting in opposite conclusions.
I mean, I'm 44 and a Christian for some 8 years now, and looking back i realize now how deep the 'naturalistic truths' were embedded in my views on the origins of things.
I don't believe in data corruption creating purposeful additions and / or improvement.
Would you want to be a mutant?
You'll be okay, ill or dead, not improved.
Ask a medical doctor.

 

[Hieronymus]

What is your falsifiable test for creationism? You aren't doing science if you can't perform this type of test. I can name a few right off the top of my head for evolution....and it's passed them all.

It's the only naturalistic theory (thesis rather, and there are several denominations), a theistic theory wouldn't be scientific.

What predictions can creationism make about the natural world?

That if the system (living nature plus its premises) is not serviced and maintained, it will degrade.
Extinction for example.

 

[46AND2]

Yes, there are some fools who think they can handle the subject, but i think you can see idiots on every side.
Maybe you didn't realise the paradigms are very different, resulting in opposite conclusions.
I mean, I'm 44 and a Christian for some 8 years now, and looking back i realize now how deep the 'naturalistic truths' were embedded in my views on the origins of things.
I don't believe in data corruption creating purposeful additions and / or improvement.
Would you want to be a mutant?
You'll be okay, ill or dead, not improved.
Ask a medical doctor.

I don't believe data corruption creates purposeful additions and/or improvement, either.

Good thing that isn't what evolution claims, or we'd be up a creek...

 

[pat34lee]

Are you saying that there isn't a gene that determines hair color? My parents both have brown hair and my brother has blonde. That's a genetic mutation. Care to explain what you think determines hair color?

Mutations are mistakes. Genes are made with a high degree
of variability. Tall, short, thin, wide, it's all part of the original
design.

 

[Hoghead1]

Hieronymus, your position is very weakened by the fact you do not at all accurately represent evolution here or elsewhere. Hence, anyone with a scientific background will find your material utter meaningless. An even more basic problem is that you do not have the credentials and qualifications to sit in judgment on mainstream science, in the first place. You would make more of an impression if you would humble up.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Mutations are mistakes. Genes are made with a high degree
of variability. Tall, short, thin, wide, it's all part of the original
design.

You're suggesting that 'genetic mutation' means bad. That is inaccurate. They can be, but most are neutral.

it's all part of the original design.

Please explain what is intelligent about this design.

Progeria https://www.genome.gov/11007255

 

[pat34lee]

Please explain what is intelligent about this design.

Would you call Ford a failure because their old cars eventually rust
out and the parts wear out and it stops running? Our current state
is the result of thousands of years of mutations, genetic loss due to
inbreeding, disease and war.

 

[bhsmte]

Would you call Ford a failure because their old cars eventually rust
out and the parts wear out and it stops running? Our current state
is the result of thousands of years of mutations, genetic loss due to
inbreeding, disease and war.

Can you support that claim with evidence?

 

[46AND2]

Would you call Ford a failure because their old cars eventually rust
out and the parts wear out and it stops running? Our current state
is the result of thousands of years of mutations, genetic loss due to
inbreeding, disease and war.

According to creationists, inbreeding was by God's design, was it not?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Would you call Ford a failure because their old cars eventually rust
out and the parts wear out and it stops running?

Why do you use inconsistent comparisons? You do realize how fallacious this argument is, right?
A car is NOT a living system. They are not related.

Our current state
is the result of thousands of years of mutations, genetic loss due to
inbreeding, disease and war.

This is actually the best time to be alive. We've eradicated certain diseases, modern medicine has made huge advancements and our average lifespan has tripled in the last 2000 years.

 

[pat34lee]

According to creationists, inbreeding was by God's design, was it not?

Only twice. And the second time, it caused the lifespan
of man to drop from about a thousand years to 120 or less.

 

[pat34lee]

Why do you use inconsistent comparisons? You do realize how fallacious this argument is, right?
A car is NOT a living system. They are not related.

Both were created. Both eventually are brought down by time and entropy.

This is actually the best time to be alive. We've eradicated certain diseases, modern medicine has made huge advancements and our average lifespan has tripled in the last 2000 years.

And we're destroying the earth with pollution and radiation and war. We already have
resistant bacteria due to overuse of drugs, and we are likely to see the same in viruses
because of vaccines.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

We already have
resistant bacteria due to overuse of drugs, and we are likely to see the same in viruses because of vaccines.

Why do you think there is always a new flu vaccine? Good thing we have great men and women in medical research who understand the theory of evolution to benefit your health huh?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

And the second time, it caused the lifespan
of man to drop from about a thousand years to 120 or less.

Do you have any verifiable and testable evidence that confirms that humans had 1000+ year lifespans?
If not my only response to this claim is:

 

[bhsmte]

Only twice. And the second time, it caused the lifespan
of man to drop from about a thousand years to 120 or less.

They must have run out of Flintstone vitamins.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Yes, there are some fools who think they can handle the subject, but i think you can see idiots on every side.
Maybe you didn't realise the paradigms are very different, resulting in opposite conclusions.
I mean, I'm 44 and a Christian for some 8 years now, and looking back i realize now how deep the 'naturalistic truths' were embedded in my views on the origins of things.
I don't believe in data corruption creating purposeful additions and / or improvement.
Would you want to be a mutant?
You'll be okay, ill or dead, not improved.
Ask a medical doctor.

Aw, you evolution deniers are all alike. Evolution theory posits that mutations and natural selection, working together, drive evolution. You deniers always separate them and point out that one alone couldn't drive evolution. And you wonder why that straw man is ignored.

Oh, and evolution theory doesn't work "purpose". The evolution just happens . . . . naturally.

 

[Hieronymus]

Aw, you evolution deniers are all alike.

So are theophobes.

Evolution theory posits that mutations and natural selection, working together, drive evolution. You deniers always separate them and point out that one alone couldn't drive evolution.

You seem not to grasp that it's mutation that makes the changes, not selection.
Selection just selects, in practice killing off the mutants unless they're viable.

And you wonder why that straw man is ignored.

It's not a strawman.
You are posing the strawman here.

Oh, and evolution theory doesn't work "purpose". The evolution just happens . . . . naturally.

You have strong faith.

 

[Hieronymus]

Do you have any verifiable and testable evidence that confirms that humans had 1000+ year lifespans?
If not my only response to this claim is:

That's cognitive dissonance.

 

[Hieronymus]

Why do you use inconsistent comparisons? You do realize how fallacious this argument is, right?
A car is NOT a living system. They are not related.

Any system without maintenance will degrade.
What's so hard for you to grasp here?