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I was discussing with a friend about the babies died in mom's womb, I have a younger brother who died soon after he came to this earth,and a relative who died in his 20s and with a baby's minds can not talk a complete sentense . The friend comforted me that"Jesus died for all, and He is risen for all.He died also for babies and those mentally disabled persons."--------so a baby who died early or in mom's womb or a person mentally defected , they still can be saved.

do u agree?
 

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I was discussing with a friend about the babies died in mom's womb, I have a younger brother who died soon after he came to this earth,and a relative who died in his 20s and with a baby's minds can not talk a complete sentense . The friend comforted me that"Jesus died for all, and He is risen for all.He died also for babies and those mentally disabled persons."--------so a baby who died early or in mom's womb or a person mentally defected , they still can be saved.

do u agree?

I agree yet again!

Romans 5:18 The result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (AMP) For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.] For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].
 
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I was discussing with a friend about the babies died in mom's womb, I have a younger brother who died soon after he came to this earth,and a relative who died in his 20s and with a baby's minds can not talk a complete sentense . The friend comforted me that"Jesus died for all, and He is risen for all.He died also for babies and those mentally disabled persons."--------so a baby who died early or in mom's womb or a person mentally defected , they still can be saved.

do u agree?

We know that God is good, and just and fair and Holy and Righteous and much much more.

So, while we don't have answers to all our questions we always know what God is like.

You may believe differently on this then I do, but there is no coming to Christ after death, only prior to death.

Bible is clear, man is destined once to die and then the judgment.

For those who are not able to such as babies, children and those who can not comprehend and those who never hear about Christ, we just go back to what we know about God and we can be at peace.

On a side note, have you heard of those in some persecuted countries, where Christianity is forbidden that God has revealed himself in dreams and people have come to Christ this way.

God is awesome!

My mom is agnostic, 88, says she'll never bow down to any one, and never believe in what she calls fairy tales.

I pray for her of course, and as I've heard of others parents passing, I believe that God goes to them whether they are conscious or unconscious and reveals himself and they have opportunity to come to him, even as they are at deaths door.

I don't believe for a second that God ever stops calling anyone; and that the above (about revealing himself) also may be something that occurs.

So, while my mom at 88, still fiercly denying God, when she passes I will be sad at her passing, but I won't know if in her last moments that God might have gone to her and presented himself personally in some way, and in heaven if she's not there, I won't know that either, as former things will pass away and there will be no more tears.

God is able!

blessings,
tapero
 
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Yes they will be saved, well actually they were never lost. (You can probably tell I'm not a Calvinist)

Romans 7:9
I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 

Paul actually never lived before the law of Moses, or indeed before any law came into effect. This is referring to a time before the law "became known" by Paul. It refers to a time when Paul was not able to comprehend the law. It's described in Genesis as having a knowledge of good and evil.

In 1 Corinthians 14:20, we are exhorted to be men in understanding and children in malice (GK kakia "evil")

Brethren,do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.

Only sinners need Christ, babies and those who are unable to come to a knowledge of good and evil - cannot sin.

As adults we were by nature "children of wrath", this is described by Thayer the lexicographer as a mode of feeling and acting, which by long habit has become nature. We are sinners because we sin, not the other way around.

The NIV and New Living Translations' rendering of Psalm 51:5 has led some to believe that we are born sinful:

For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.
Compare this with the NKJV:​

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

The first (poor) translation makes the child the sinner, the second, more literal translation, makes the mother the sinner and the world into which the child was born sinful.

Hopefully this has been helpful.​

Refrus​
 
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Without a doubt that baby is in Heaven waiting for the mom -

That mentally challanged person also is not lost - it was through no fault of his own that he did not have the capability to reason out all this - He is also with Jesus.

The Lord gave me a poem in the middle of the night once - it has ministered to thousands and has saved hundreds of babies from abortion - but read it - it will bless you and clear up this confusion.

http://diamondsfromheaven.com/ebk3.htm - read the story of how it came about and then read the poem.

It is straight from the throne.

I had a miscarriage in my 3rd month - I was concerned about this also - God assured me that it was a little girl and I was crying one day and said my baby didn't have a name - again God assured me her name is Rose Mary and that she was waiting on me.
 
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this christmas just gone, my wife lost our second baby through miscarriage, but not long before that she had read a super little book. An in depth bible study and devotional work looking at all the scriptures speaking about children and babies who die and she found it very useful.

just cannot remember what it was called.

all i remember is the passage about david whose child died.
 
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I was discussing with a friend about the babies died in mom's womb, I have a younger brother who died soon after he came to this earth,and a relative who died in his 20s and with a baby's minds can not talk a complete sentense . The friend comforted me that"Jesus died for all, and He is risen for all.He died also for babies and those mentally disabled persons."--------so a baby who died early or in mom's womb or a person mentally defected , they still can be saved.

do u agree?
yeah they go to heaven, because their spirits are yet pure (not sinless because we're born into sin, but in a purer state than ours). babies that are miscarried or aborted or are stillborn all go to heaven. they never had a chance to "accept" Christ like we do, and since God is so merciful i believe He takes them to heaven with HIm. so if a saved woman has ever lost a child or aborted a child, she can be comforted with the fact that she will eventually see them in heaven one day. (NO I'M NOT CONDONING ABORTION! I SAID IF SHE IS SAVED! [just a side-note]) the same thing goes for those that are disabled as you described. if their minds are not functioning well enough where they know right from wrong, sin and what's not sin, then God has mercy on them too. i dont believe the God we serve would send a baby or a mentally handicapped person who could not comprehend to hell.
 
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I think the article pasted below says it all.

Fred

A cold March wind danced around the dead of night in Dallas as the doctor walked into the small hospital room of Diana Blessing. She was still groggy from surgery.
Her husband, David, held her hand as they braced themselves for the latest news.
That afternoon of March 10, 1991, complications had forced Diana, only 24-weeks pregnant, to undergo an emergency Cesarean to deliver couple's new daughter, Dana Lu Blessing.
At 12 inches long and weighing only one pound nine ounces, they already knew she was perilously premature.
Still, the doctor's soft words dropped like bombs. "I don't think she's going to make it," he said, as kindly as he could.
"There's only a 10-percent chance she will live through the night, and even then, if by some slim chance she does make it, her future could be a very cruel one"
Numb with disbelief, David and Diana listened as the doctor described the devastating problems Dana would likely face if she survived.
She would never walk, she would never talk, she would probably be blind, and she would certainly be prone to other catastrophic conditions from cerebral palsy to complete mental retardation, and on and on.
"No! No!" was all Diana could say.
She and David, with their 5-year-old son Dustin, had long dreamed of the day they would have a daughter to become a family of four.
Now, within a matter of hours, that dream was slipping away
But as those first days passed, a new agony set in for David and Diana. Because Dana's underdeveloped nervous system was essentially 'raw', the lightest kiss or caress only intensified her discomfort, so they couldn't even cradle their tiny baby girl against their chests to offer the strength of their love.
All they could do, as Dana struggled alone beneath the ultraviolet light in the tangle of tubes and wires, was to pray that God would stay close to their precious little girl.
There was never a moment when Dana suddenly grew stronger. But as the weeks went by, she did slowly gain an ounce of weight here and an ounce of strength there.
At last, when Dana turned two months old, her parents were able to hold her in their arms for the very first time.
And two months later, though doctors continued to gently but grimly warn that her chances of surviving, much less living any kind of normal life, were next to zero, Dana went home from the hospital, just as her mother had predicted.
Five years later, when Dana was a petite but feisty young girl with glittering gray eyes and an unquenchable zest for life, She showed no signs whatsoever of any mental or physical impairment. Simply, she was everything a little girl can be and more. But that happy ending is far from the end of her story.
One blistering afternoon in the summer of 1996 near her home in Irving, Texas, Dana was sitting in her mother's lap in the bleachers of a local ball park where her brother Dustin's baseball team was practicing.
As always, Dana was chattering nonstop with her mother and several other adults sitting nearby when she suddenly fell silent. Hugging her arms across her chest, little Dana asked, "Do you smell that?"
Smelling the air and detecting the approach of a thunderstorm, Diana replied, "Yes, it smells like rain."
Dana closed her eyes and again asked, "Do you smell that?"
Once again, her mother replied, "Yes, I think we're about to get wet. It smells like rain."
Still caught in the moment, Dana shook her head, patted her thin shoulders with her small hands and loudly announced, "No, it smells like Him.
It smells like God when you lay your head on His chest."
Tears blurred Diana's eyes as Dana happily hopped down to play with the other children.
Before the rains came, her daughter's words confirmed what Diana and all the members of the extended Blessing family had known, at least in their hearts, all along.
During those long days and nights of her first two months of her life, when her nerves were too sensitive for them to touch her, God was holding Dana on His chest and it is His loving scent that she remembers so well
 
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