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No that is incorrect. Where the NT deals with the issues mentioned in the post has already been demonstrated.But only the fulfillment of the law that you choose not to follow, leaving you "pure" to criticize others whose actions are based on the the fulfillment of the whole law?
Sorry but I am referring to the word of God in the Bible, that you do not believe it as you have described is up to you and not my responsibility.What right do you have to tell us that heterosexual couples can ignore the niddah laws, but gay Christians in a loving, committed, sexual relaionship are sinning even if they choose to obey the "man-lying" law and to not engage in a**l s*x?
It would seem as though a lot of you are judging these poor creatures as if they do not have a voice. As if their opinions actually come in to question.
Well here it is - straight from the horse's mouth.
I'm gay.
I'm also a christian.
That means I love God, I am a creationist, I could qualify as a bible bashing, old fashioned, hillbilly (if I lived in America)
But here's the catch - I also love the same sex as me. *SHOCK*
I'm a muff-munching, dirty, filthy lesbo!
I have a girlfriend called Jessica, who lives with me, and we love each other - very much.
Do you have any questions? Queeries (see what I did thar?)? Or maybe you want to throw some 'evidence' at me?
Go ahead, I'm ready.
Ps-Please don't go 'eeeew, lesbienne sex is disKUSTINK!
What y'all do ain't so perty either...
Great post as always OllieThank you for replying. But you are wrong. Let's look at Leviticus 18, and the laws about sexual morality:
[bible]Leviticus 18:1-30[/bible]
Verses 6-18 forbid incest. Verse 19 forbids sex with a wife during her niddah. Verse 20 forbids adultery. Verse 21 fobids child sacrifice to Molech. Verse 22 forbids "man-lying." Verse 23 forbids bestiality.
The niddah laws are smack dab in the middle of the sexual immorality laws, between incest and adultery. After the subject changes to Molech worship, "man-lying" and bestiality are added as an afterthought. But God isn't forgetful, so the order must serve a purpose.
I am not so arrogant as to be able to proclaim that purpose, but many people see these actions not as afterthoughts added to the sexual immorality laws, but as part of the idolotrous worship of Molech.
And look at Chapter 20:
[bible]Leviticus 20:1-27[/bible]
Sacrifice to Molech has been moved to the introductory paragraph. Just as in Romans, the "vile affections" are tied into a general failure to recognize God, and to idolatry, so here. In this chapter, the niddah laws (verse 18) and the "man-lying" (verse 13) and bestiality (verses 15-16)laws are all included in the middle of the incest laws.
Again, I do not claim this is "the" way to understand this fact, but some people claim that the other three laws are folded into the incest laws to show that all four (five if you include adultery) situations are equally sinful.
In any case, there is no basis in the Scripture itself to assume that the niddah laws are "OT ceremonial laws" while at the same time proclaiming that the "man-lying" law is a sexual immoarality law. Leviticus 18 seems to suggest that, if anything, it should be the other way 'round. Leviticus 20 seems to say that they are both equally sexually immoral.
Some peple try to make the claim that you can make the distinction because moral laws are repeated in the NT, but ceremonial laws are not. If that is true, then once again the niddah law is a moral law, not a ceremonial one. Paul references it in 1 Corinthians 7:1-5. He has said repeatedly in his letters that we are free from the Law if we are in Grace, but that does not mean that we should wallow in sin. Specifically in this passage, he says that a wife's body is her husband's and vice versa. One should not cheat one's spouse of the pleasure that body can give them, "except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer." A period of fasting and prayer and abstaining from sex is exactly what is called for in the niddah laws.
What burns me up is when they try to force their ideas/agendas on straight people.
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.Is someone forcing you, or any other straight person, to have a homosexual marriage?
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
I don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.
I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
I don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.
I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT
...what's the homosexual agenda like?I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
Uhmm I'm sorry? They are against banning gay marriage or against gay marriage?That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
So you don't mind them being here, you just don't want them to be American citizens?Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Since when do taxpayers pay money to married couples just for getting married?Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
I dont want to see televangelist lying about minorities like gays and lesbiansI don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
It is normal.It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
Gee people in my house all have to use the same bathroom.Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.
What agenda?I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
It reminds me of how Christians fought against the ending of the ban on interracial marriage a generation ago.That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
how big of youDon't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all.
I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
I don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.
I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
Do things work radically differently in the US to the UK? Because I can't understand how "your tax dollars" would be used for homosexual couples to get married.
buchanan (OP), if you're only 15, I think you're a bit too young to a) be living with a lover and b) really know your sexuality.
after all, sex with someone your age is illegal for a reason ...
Well, Buchanan has qualified a.) by pointing out that her girlfriend lives with Buchanan and her parents, so it's not as if they've set up a home together.
Is 15 really too young to know one's sexuality? Nobody bats an eyelid if a 15 year old girl has a boyfriend, so why should it be any different if a 15 year old girl has a girlfriend?
And AFAIA, Buchanan never said she's having sex with her girlfriend.
David.
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