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Phinehas2

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Dear Ollifranz,
But only the fulfillment of the law that you choose not to follow, leaving you "pure" to criticize others whose actions are based on the the fulfillment of the whole law?
No that is incorrect. Where the NT deals with the issues mentioned in the post has already been demonstrated.
What right do you have to tell us that heterosexual couples can ignore the niddah laws, but gay Christians in a loving, committed, sexual relaionship are sinning even if they choose to obey the "man-lying" law and to not engage in a**l s*x?
Sorry but I am referring to the word of God in the Bible, that you do not believe it as you have described is up to you and not my responsibility.


 
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Phinehas2

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Dear OllieFranz,
As we have discussed I do not find your explanation of Leviticus credible, and you have reather missed the point of the fulfillment of the law and the bigger picture.
The creation purpose of God is stated in Genesis 2, and affirmed directly by Jesus NT teaching in Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6 etc. Celibacy is given as the alternative in Matt 19 and 1 Cor 7. There are a number of other NT affiramtions of man and woman , Husband/wife, bride/bridegroom throughout the NT.
There is nothing on same-sex unions except condemnations.
All the gay and lesbian arguments do is first make a proposition for which there is no scriptural support, and then seek to justify it by systematic denial and dispute of a whole host of passages which show the proposition is false in the first place.
This is why the issue represents such levels of disbelief it ends up a different gospel.
 
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catlover

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...is it a sin to troll?

...is it a sin to feed a troll?
 
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BigBadWlf

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Great post as always Ollie
 
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What burns me up is when they try to force their ideas/agendas on straight people.

Is someone forcing you, or any other straight person, to have a homosexual marriage?
 
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Is someone forcing you, or any other straight person, to have a homosexual marriage?
Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
I don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.

I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.

Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT
 
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It seems to me that you have the problem with the fact that homosexuals actually exist, and you'd prefer to get rid of them all... since you see their actual existence as something that's "forced on you your kids, your friends and your nation" And if you don't want your tax money to be spent on homosexuals getting married... do you realize how evil that sounds? How would you feel if someone was too greedy to let YOU get married? And if they said that they don't want your existence to be "forced on them, their kids, their friends and their nation" so that they would use the law to force to you hide yourself? It goes both ways. The fact is that homosexuality is just as normal as natural as heterosexuality... it's simply less common.
 
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I don't want my tax dollars going on an unjust war or those views being forced on my children, but both things are happening...get over it..I did.
 
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I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
...what's the homosexual agenda like? I live in Chicago how come I never heard about it?

That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
Uhmm I'm sorry? They are against banning gay marriage or against gay marriage? Sorry your sentence was a little unclear.

Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all. I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
So you don't mind them being here, you just don't want them to be American citizens?
tulc(that just seems...wrong to me)
 
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Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.
Since when do taxpayers pay money to married couples just for getting married?


I don't want my kids seeing homosexual things on the TV (in case they mistakenly see a soap opera with men kissing).
I don’t want to see televangelist lying about minorities like gays and lesbians


It's other things also like the school systems saying that homosexuality is normal to my kids and put books in the school library like "Heather has two mommies".
It is normal.

And millions of children have gay and lesbian parents. Why should they have to pretend that their families are somehow not real just because you have chosen to be prejudiced.

And what are you afraid of? That you children learn that hatred directed at a minority is wrong?




Then the schools are allowing children who are confused about their sexual identity in bathrooms. Boys in a girls bathroom and vice versa.
Makes no sense to me.
Gee…people in my house all have to use the same bathroom.

Does your home have separate men’s and a woman’s restrooms?


I just got back from Chicago from some software training and one the guys in my class who is a Christian said the school board tried to force the homosexual agenda on his kids. The parents of all the kids stopped it dead in it's tracks.
What agenda?

Did your friends school also fight to make sure only white children attend their school….can’t have anyone pushing the black agenda on schools now can we?




That reminds of the marriage amendments by the states to stop homosexual marriage. The United States people are overwhelmingly against it.
It reminds me of how Christians fought against the ending of the ban on interracial marriage a generation ago.


Don't get me wrong. I know homosexuals have to live, eat and work. I don't mind that at all.
how big of you

I just don't want them forcing that stuff above, on me, my kids, my friends and my nation.
Thanks,
TT

Why should people tolerate you pushing your hate and prejudice on their children, on them and on thier nation ?
 
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It's too bad that you had a bad experience as a kid, texastig, but that gives you no legit reason for speaking about 'gay' people the way that you do. You sound like a fanatic and a misguided fanatic at that. Based on a previous and rather 'unusual' post of yours I've asked you several times to describe what YOU perceive a homosexual to be. It seems as though you don't really know. So far, you've ignored my question.

I was a ward of the state and placed in an orphanage between the age of 5-12. I was subject to physical, emotional, and ...well, some degree of 'abuse' (I hate that word ...it is bandied around so much) that a kid should not have to go through. Times were different back then, however, and I guess that many of us 'abusees' just rolled with the punches. I do not allow my past experiences to eat away at me and I have mentally forgiven those who made life so difficult for me as a young boy. Maybe you should do the same, texastig, and stop taking it out on thousands of individuals that you don't even know.
 
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Starlight, it's just not about homosexual marriage. Concerning homosexual marriage, I don't want my tax dollars used for that.

Do things work radically differently in the US to the UK? Because I can't understand how "your tax dollars" would be used for homosexual couples to get married.

David.
 
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Do things work radically differently in the US to the UK? Because I can't understand how "your tax dollars" would be used for homosexual couples to get married.

Well...there's the tax breaks people automatically get when they get married. In order for gay couples to get them they have to hire a lawyer and spend a lot of money for something that hetro. couples get just by signing a piece of paper. Maybe he thinks that's unfair?
tulc(...or not)
 
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buchanan (OP), if you're only 15, I think you're a bit too young to a) be living with a lover and b) really know your sexuality.

after all, sex with someone your age is illegal for a reason ...

Well, Buchanan has qualified a.) by pointing out that her girlfriend lives with Buchanan and her parents, so it's not as if they've set up a home together.

Is 15 really too young to know one's sexuality? Nobody bats an eyelid if a 15 year old girl has a boyfriend, so why should it be any different if a 15 year old girl has a girlfriend?

And AFAIA, Buchanan never said she's having sex with her girlfriend.

David.
 
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I think most people know their sexuality by age 15 perhaps slightly earliar. (I didnt but most people do im sure)

Also worth pointing out that the age of consent in the UK is 16 so its not perhaps that shocking for a 15 year old to have a boyfreind or girlfreind as it is in some parts of the US.
 
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