How a real Statesman greets a democratic victim of a terrible tyrant!

[HarleyER]

You did not say "in Scotland", you did not say "in safe zones like abortion clinics" and you did not say "can/may", you did not say "if it constitutes a harassment" etc.

You said "You haven't looked at Europe lately, where they are trying to pass laws that if you are praying in your home you can be arrested and thrown into jail."

This blank statement is absolutely fake news.

Religion and its practice or no religion and no practice is a fundamental right throughout Europe. Attacking publicly other groups/harassment, even if you call it religious freedom, is not a fundamental right.

Scotland does not want to ban praying at home (fake news), but abusing for example praying postures (for example in a window) to willfully/consciously harass other people in so called safe zones.

On the one hand you tell me Scotland doesn't want to ban it, then you turn right around and tell me that it's harassment in "safe zones". And then you tell me it's "fake news". That is, after all, the new buzz word these days to try to discredit any discussion. I haven't kept count, but it must have been used fifteen or sixteen times in the last several days when I state something.

Please don't tell me this isn't going throughout Europe. Europe is policing people on the internet and anything they deem "hate" speech, they will arrest you. So, whatever a politician decides is hate speech can get you arrested. And you're OK with that?

Posting hateful speech online could lead to police raiding your home in this European country

In the U.S., most of what we say online, even if it's hate filled, is protected by the First Amendment as free speech. But in Germany, prosecutors and cops police the internet.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[HarleyER]

Why would it be war with Russia for the US? We've been helping Ukraine for THREE YEARS and still no war with Russia.

Ukraine is being supplied by Europe and the US. Eventually we will have to get involved. Already the UK is talking about "boots on the ground" and France is talking about a peace keeping force. Germany is trying to boost their military budget.

He hasn't made peace yet, just extracted a "payment" for his "help". There is no Nobel Prize for Strongarm Self-enrichment.

How very noble of Europe and denigrating to the US. Let's get the facts straight. Europe "gave" Ukraine their $100+ billion as a LOAN to be repaid. The US gave Ukraine their $100+ billion in exchanged for NOTHING. So when Trump ask for "payment" in the form of mineral rights, he is simply following the lead of the EU. Also, Trumps plan is to establish corporations in the Ukraine that will benefit both the Ukrainians and the US.

Europe simply wants their money back.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ukraine is being supplied by Europe and the US. Eventually we will have to get involved.

Are you that unaware of history? The US has provided military aid to countries in wars for a very long time without deploying troops.

Already the UK is talking about "boots on the ground" and France is talking about a peace keeping force. Germany is trying to boost their military budget.

Peace keeping forces come *after* the fighting starts to *keep* the peace that has been made.

How very noble of Europe and denigrating to the US. Let's get the facts straight. Europe "gave" Ukraine their $100+ billion as a LOAN to be repaid. The US gave Ukraine their $100+ billion in exchanged for NOTHING. So when Trump ask for "payment" in the form of mineral rights, he is simply following the lead of the EU. Also, Trumps plan is to establish corporations in the Ukraine that will benefit both the Ukrainians and the US.

Europe simply wants their money back.

It's not nearly that simple. Both the US and various European countries have made grants and loans, for military and civilian purposes. Both have sold arms to Ukraine (or rather permitted arms manufacturers in their countries to sell arms to Ukraine for cash. Some times that money comes from the treasury of Ukraine, some times it is a loan or grant from a foreign nation (like the US).

The amount of money Trump is trying to extract from Ukraine in these "deals" is larger than all money "expended" by the US in aid grants, loans, and old military equipment.

 

[Pommer]

Apparently you're not old enough to remember the Civil War. The south thought they were in the right and, in the beginning, they were very successful at stopping, and even winning, many battles with the north. But the infrastructure, the factories, and even the ability to repleish troops were in the north. I don't wish to simplify the complexities of the Civil War, but one of the deciding factors was failure of the south to be able to replenish their infrastructure and troops.

Same with Ukraine. If Europe and the US stopped suppling troops and weapons, Ukraine will fold. Already they are having problems with getting enough troops. It is just a matter of attrition. Their best deal is to take what they can get is what Trump is offering.

BTW-, if you recall, it was Bill Clinton, along with Russia and the UK, who convinced the Ukrainians to get rid of their nukes in exchange for security. A poor decision on the part on Ukraine and a pretty stupid decision of the Democrats. They trusted Russia far more than Trump (as Hillary demostrates). As always, Republicans are left to try to solve the mess.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion

The oldest person that I’d ever met was born in 1874, so no I do not “remember” the American Civil War.

I do, however, read books, and them thar books tell me that the CSA sent emissaries to England/France to see if the CSA could get official recognition as an independent nation (unto itself); which would have solidified the CSA’s claim to independence and not just a bunch of traitors with guns.

Ukraine, though, does exist independently from Russia.
So your point has gone missing.