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As a sufferer of OCD/scrupulosity, I would like to share with my fellow Christians the discoveries I make in struggles with this mental illness. As an Orthodox Christian, I have the great blessing of having access to roughly 2000 years of church history and knowledge composed by the Church Fathers (disciples of the Apostles).

It has been documented by the Church Fathers that Christians have been suffering OCD/scrupulosity as early as the 5th century AD. They also documented how to battle this foe as well as overcome it.

I get the impression that much of the Christian world outside Orthodoxy does not know about the writings of the Church Fathers. If you have, you would have heard about a 5th century monk known as Saint John Climacus (or Saint John of the Ladder). If not, try researching him. You’ll find he wrote an extraordinary book known as The Ladder of Divine Ascent, which details the following regarding “unspeakably blasphemous thoughts”:

a) Assault. This is the first stage and signifies the initial presence within us of some alien impulse intervening into consciousness from outside by the will of the adversary. You cannot prevent thoughts from arising, but you can resist them. This stage is not the same as sinful activity, it is “guiltless”, since only the surface of the heart is affected. If you can cut off the temptation at this stage, you will be entirely rid of it.

b) Converse. In this stage we start a conversation with the invading thought. It is a flirting familiarity with the thought, with feelings of passion or even dispassion, but it nonetheless stops short of consent or approval.

c) Consent. In this step one gives approval and sanction to the temptation. This step initiates sin.

d) Captivity. At this stage one’s free will is impaired and undermined, so that one is now forced to consent involuntarily. The heart is “carried away”, yet not irrevocably.

e) Struggle. This stage can be the occasion of crowns or of punishments. Do you act with force equal to the invading thought, or do you enjoy it further?

f) Passion. This is the last stage, from which one is rescued in repentance, or for which one is punished through unrepentance.

This is the basic hierarchy given by the Church Fathers. As you can see, being attacked by such horrible and invading thoughts is no sin. Only when we consent to them and take them into our hearts do we succumb to sin. As our Lord Jesus Christ said:

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man (Matthew 15: 19-20).

Our heart is what Jesus is looking at, not the invading thoughts, provided we cast them out in time.

I hope this thread has helped in putting this illness in perspective. And remember, you’re not alone. Devoted monks, Christians and even Saints have been suffering just as we have.

May God be with you all.
 

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I am curious to hear what these documents are that you speak about

Edit: not that I am doubting you but I know quite a few people might be interested in hearing it.
 
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Luke Kep said:
As you can see, being attacked by such horrible and invading thoughts is no sin. Only when we consent to them and take them into our hearts do we succumb to sin.

I agree with this completely. Whatever the source of the thoughts, it is not the initial thought that is sin. In Hebrews 4:15 it says that Jesus was tempted just as we are, yet did not sin.

The initial thoughts--temptation--are not sin.

We can entertain the thoughts--which can become sin--or we can resist them.

But the initial thoughts--that first intrusive thought--is not sin. You do not sin just because you have a blasphemous thought. Resist it and tell it to go away.

It only becomes sin if you willingly entertain that thought. If you don't want it, it is not sin. Even if it comes back, it is still not sin. Resist it again.

Every Christian goes through this. You do not have to have OCD to be bothered by intrusive thoughts. Everyone experiences this. Resist the thoughts and go on. They do not become sin unless you willingly entertain something you believe to be sin. The key word here is "willingly."

If you are not willingly entertaining that thought, then that thought is not sin.
 
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If you are interested in knowing about the sources I use, simply research Saint John Climacus or his book "The Ladder of Divine Ascent" using wikipedia (if you want a brief overview). If you want to know about the Church Fathers, I suggest doing the same. These were the men and women who fought persecution and suffered martyrdom in the name of Christ in order to spread Christianity around the globe.In fact, their work was so intense and their love for Christ so passionate, that if it were not for them, we would not have Christianity as widespread around the world as we do today.

If you want to know more, simply research it. A lot of people know the scripture, but don't know where it came from or how many people have fought to keep it safe. There are many, many writings by the Church Fathers, but the most famous are:

- The Ladder of Divine Ascent
- Spiritual Warfare
- The Philokalia
- The Sayings of the Desert Fathers

Hope this helps!
 
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