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James 1:13-16
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
James 4:5
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
James 4:7-8
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Tim 1:8-10
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
Luke 17:28-30
28 "Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
29 "but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 "Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Titus 1:10-11
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
2 Pet 2:3
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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xxxxThis is a revelation I received from the Holy Spirit. Like it or not this is what the bible says. You can look up every verse. Whether your a homosexual or not if you approve of it you could condemn yourself.

Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
(NKJ)
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)








 
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This is a revelation I received from the Holy Spirit. Like it or not this is what the bible says. You can look up every verse. Whether your a homosexual or not if you approve of it you could condemn yourself.

You received a revelation from the Holy Spirit? What does that even mean? Doesn't the Holy Spirit realize that these very same - and more - scriptures have been presented MANY times previously on this forum? Evidently the HS needs to come up to speed on the subject.

Someone alluded to the idea on one of the threads on this forum that, to many, the Bible has become the 4th-member of the Godhead. I believe that this is a valid point to ponder. Many seem to suspend their God-given logic at times in preference to 'words' from the Bible. Some sound almost robotic as they churn out scripture after scripture after scripture as if in a 'holy trance'. However, the facts are that the Bible was written by many human beings - probably 'inspired' human beings but human beings nonetheless. ALL of these human beings were 'sinners'. In other words, NONE of them lived to the standards of perfection of which they 'preach'. Some of them may even have been homosexuals but remained covert under the threat of being stoned to death if ever they breathed a word about it. They were 'people' just like you and me.

Those who 'participated in' the New Testament scriptures received all or most of their knowledge from the teachings of the Old Testament. In other words they were heavily influenced by ancient and often strange (to us nowadays) writings. I would doubt that they had any idea whatsoever that their thoughts, their letters, their extremely culturally-based and influenced views on life would eventually become a part of the (two canons of) scriptures.

The issue we are discussing on this forum is homosexuality. For the most part homosexuals testify that they have been 'that way' for as long as they remember and that the (sexual) attraction for those of the same gender was not given to them upon request. In other words, the (sexual) attraction they have for others of the same gender is innate ...that is, they were born with it. It matters little to them when others - some on this forum - say "no one is born 'gay'!" All they know is that they ARE 'gay'.

The Holy Spirit neglected to provide you with information concerning the plight of many 'gays' who are still 'in the closet'. Many of these (generally young) folks have not yet even had a sexual encounter. Some are so overwhelmed with fear - particularly if they are related to Christian parents or/and strongly influenced by Christian dogma - that they resort to either taking their own lives or, at least, contemplating the notion.

The NT 'participants' were not savvy at all in matters such as these. They therefore could not write about what they did not know. Therefore, the scriptures you provide in your OP have little or nothing to do with the issue that we're discussing. I would suggest that, since you seem to have inside tract with the Holy Spirit that you ask the HS to provide you with RELEVANT information that is applicable to present-day homosexuality. The scriptures the HS gave you to present here are not helpful in ANY way to those homosexuals who might be struggling with their unwanted sexual orientation.
 
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James 1:13-16
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
James 4:5
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
James 4:7-8
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Tim 1:8-10
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
Luke 17:28-30
28 "Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
29 "but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 "Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Titus 1:10-11
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
2 Pet 2:3
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
xxxxThis is a revelation I received from the Holy Spirit. Like it or not this is what the bible says. You can look up every verse. Whether your a homosexual or not if you approve of it you could condemn yourself.

Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
(NKJ)
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)






Let me ask you a question brother brown; Do you believe in the Trinty and that Jesus is God ? If not, then you have no right to be casting aspersions here.
 
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Quoting Bible verses at people hasn't worked before, so what makes you think it will work this time, Brotherbrown?
Um, you are a Methodist, don’t Bible verses mean anything to Methodists? Bible verse mean a lot to Christians as Christians believe the Bible is the word and testimony of God. This is a Christian section of the forum afterall
 
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Phinehas2

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Dear Texas Lynn
A few verses posted out of context does not make a valid argument.
But in what way are you claiming these are out of context?
for example take the first verse.
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone
which temptations is this about if not a general statement?
Take Gal 5:19 “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,[/quote] What is adultery and fornication? The words are pronos and moichos and in Matt 19 and Mark 10 Jesus says adultery and fornication breaks the faithful union of man and woman which God created to be united as one flesh. So how are same-sex unions not fornication or adultery? You see its not out of context at all, James 1:1-13 is only out of context with same-sex sex if same-sex sex is not fornication or adultery, but one can see it is.
 
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Dear cheese007

Um, you are a Methodist, don’t Bible verses mean anything to Methodists? Bible verse mean a lot to Christians as Christians believe the Bible is the word and testimony of God. This is a Christian section of the forum afterall

There is diversity among Methodists; some are fundamentalists and some are not.

Bible verses can still "mean a lot" without being taken literally and they were never intended to be viewed in that manner.

Besides those of you who claim to take scripture literally are highly selective in doing it.
 
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Dear Texas Lynn
But in what way are you claiming these are out of context?


Use of these to condemn your LGBT brothers and sisters is to misuse them because the original text reflected that culture and its limitations. Women were chattel and male-male relationships were all but entirely related to power dynamics, not like mutual relationships of today.

Fundamentalism by and large is an error generally. The Bible is not the fourth member of the Trinity.
 
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Such a high sounding broad statement to make without any substance or support whatsoever. What are the specific errors of those who hold fast to the faithful word of truth as is written in Titus 1:9? (which is all the definition of a "Fundamentalist" means in a nutshell)

Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able
by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. Titus 1:9




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Fundamentalism by and large is an error generally.
 
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That is a matter of opinion, not a justifiable or valid opinion, in my opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.

There is diversity among Methodists; some are fundamentalists and some are not.

Bible verses can still "mean a lot" without being taken literally and they were never intended to be viewed in that manner.

Besides those of you who claim to take scripture literally are highly selective in doing it.
 
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What other way can those Scriptures be used than to show us the error of our ways and our thinking as compared to God's? The original text doesn't create a problem in the interpretation though, so I am not sure how that helps you any to stake your claim?

Do you have another interpretation of those Scriptures that can clear the matter up? Or does one have to completely rip those verses out of the Bibles in order for that matter to be resolved?


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Use of these to condemn your LGBT brothers and sisters is to misuse them because the original text reflected that culture and its limitations. Women were chattel and male-male relationships were all but entirely related to power dynamics, not like mutual relationships of today.
<snip as addressed separately above>
 
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What other way can those Scriptures be used than to show us the error of our ways and our thinking as compared to God's? The original text doesn't create a problem in the interpretation though, so I am not sure how that helps you any to stake your claim?

Do you have another interpretation of those Scriptures that can clear the matter up? Or does one have to completely rip those verses out of the Bibles in order for that matter to be resolved?

Asked and answered.
 
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Oh, I apologize if you answered this as I read a lot of posts and somehow
must have missed it. If you are referring to the post in which I replied to
which you are saying was asked and answered...that response does not validate
your statement at all, as it is not a factual statement and represents only a percentage
of people engaged in homosexual activities. If that is not what you were referring to,
would you be kind enough to provide a link so that I can follow it to your response?

Thanks in advance.



Asked and answered.

What other way can those Scriptures be used than to show us the error of our ways and our thinking as compared to God's? The original text doesn't create a problem in the interpretation though, so I am not sure how that helps you any to stake your claim?

Do you have another interpretation of those Scriptures that can clear the matter up? Or does one have to completely rip those verses out of the Bibles in order for that matter to be resolved?
 
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Dear cheese007

Um, you are a Methodist, don&#8217;t Bible verses mean anything to Methodists? Bible verse mean a lot to Christians as Christians believe the Bible is the word and testimony of God. This is a Christian section of the forum afterall
1. I'm not a fundie.
2. I'm not a literalist either.
3. I'm insulted by the fact that you're implying that I'm not Christian because I don't believe exactly like you.
 
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Back in the days the Disciples walked the earth, Christians were not referred to as Christians of themselves, it was others who defined them as such and it was because of their witness and testimony and was really meant as an insult by those who didn't like what Christians had to say or the moral values they held to as they sought to emulate Christ, being both pleasing to the Father and therefore the Son. Things sure have changed since then.
 
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