Homosexuals: I'm calling you out!!! Prove to me...

[virtualgirl]

Is the OP a response to this thread that was posted earlier?



http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7238032

 

[Beanieboy]

Is the OP a response to this thread that was posted earlier?



http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7238032

Yes. It's usually a poor imitation, using the same wording, reactionary, and rarely makes sense.

I've seen this kind of thing before:
http://www.straightpride.com/

Now, I have no problem with someone having Straight Pride, but the site is copying GLBT Pride sites, not wanting to be "silenced" (Silence=Death slogan regarding Regan's silence about the AIDS crisis), etc.

Then, they go on to attack homosexuals, gay marriage, etc.

So, it copies it in form (Gay Pride/Straight Pride), but Gay Pride doesn't attack heterosexuality, want to illegalize straight marriage, etc.

I understand Black Pride, for example. African Americans had to overcome slavery and Civil Rights. Should one be ashamed to be white? No, but should acknowledge that whites have done some terrible things to black people, and wearing your White Pride T-shirt on Martin Luther King Day is simply disrespectful, and will be interpreted as such. One has to go out of their way to do such a thing. The person can swear up and down that they simply are celebrating their White Herritage, but they will be seen as a racist, and as disrespectful to a group of people who had to fight those in power, namely, white people, to receive the same Civil Rights.

The same can be said of "Straight Pride", who play the victim against the gays that are trying to suppress them and undermine marriage. What truly bothers them is that their power of oppression is eroding, and they know it.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Yes. It's usually a poor imitation, using the same wording, reactionary, and rarely makes sense.

I've seen this kind of thing before:
http://www.straightpride.com/

Now, I have no problem with someone having Straight Pride, but the site is copying GLBT Pride sites, not wanting to be "silenced" (Silence=Death slogan regarding Regan's silence about the AIDS crisis), etc.

Then, they go on to attack homosexuals, gay marriage, etc.

So, it copies it in form (Gay Pride/Straight Pride), but Gay Pride doesn't attack heterosexuality, want to illegalize straight marriage, etc.

I understand Black Pride, for example. African Americans had to overcome slavery and Civil Rights. Should one be ashamed to be white? No, but should acknowledge that whites have done some terrible things to black people, and wearing your White Pride T-shirt on Martin Luther King Day is simply disrespectful, and will be interpreted as such. One has to go out of their way to do such a thing. The person can swear up and down that they simply are celebrating their White Herritage, but they will be seen as a racist, and as disrespectful to a group of people who had to fight those in power, namely, white people, to receive the same Civil Rights.

The same can be said of "Straight Pride", who play the victim against the gays that are trying to suppress them and undermine marriage. What truly bothers them is that their power of oppression is eroding, and they know it.

Bb, I couldn't get onto the "Straight Pride" site. I guess I don't have some kind of plug-in or something.

Anyway, I think it is a knee jerk reaction to "Gay (homosexual) Pride". Which I kind of understand.

My problem with "Homosexual Pride" is exactly in the name. Someone is actually taking PRIDE in committing acts of homosexuality??? After GOD has very clearly spoken that HE hates this very wicked sin. Someone is actually going to say that they take pride in this vile SIN???

ONCE AGAIN: can you imagine "Rapist Pride"? Or "Necrophilia Pride"? Or "Bestiality Pride"?

Having a "Bestiality Pride" parade, where practitioner's of bestiality have floats where they scream obscenities, throw condoms into the crowds and do simulated sex scenes with animals. Can you imagine this? Well what is the difference between this and a "homosexual pride" parade?

One must think about these things.

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

Bb, I couldn't get onto the "Straight Pride" site. I guess I don't have some kind of plug-in or something.

Um . . . I think the "plug-in's" are on the gay pride site.

(sorry, I couldn't resist. SoF's choice of words made me snicker. I might even have snorted.)

 

[WhatThe]

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[WhatThe]

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[WhatThe]

ONCE AGAIN: can you imagine "Rapist Pride"? Or "Necrophilia Pride"? Or "Bestiality Pride"?

ONCE AGAIN:
Rape, Beastiality, Necrophilia, Paedophilia, etc, are acts that deny the free will of an individual. Thus they are CRIMES.
Homosexuality is a relationship between two consenting adults. It does not deny free will or choice to either party, and thus IS NOT a crime.

You think homosexuality is a sin? That's fine, then don't practice it. But not everyone shares the same beliefs as you.

For example, ever eaten beef? I can think of at least 4 religious groups that would condem you to hell for that. But, it isn't your belief, so it doesn't matter!

 

[TheDag]

Prove that Muhammad was not dictated to by an angel. Then Muslims will have to stop rebuking you for the vile sin of rejecting the holy Qur'an as God's final and authoritative word.

according to Islam a christian like me will go to paradise. just thought you'd like to know.

 

[TheDag]

This is very entertaining. having read several pages (not all) I find the double standards and hypocrisy are alive and well. There are people who in other threads say they can make a claim and you must back it up. When someone else does the same then it is unacceptable. Likewise when they get told to go and start another thread and actually do so they get condemned. Of course there are those who have a go at people in their own thread for not addressing the OP and then come into a thread like this and don't actually address the OP themselves. Interesting.

 

[cantata]

according to Islam a christian like me will go to paradise. just thought you'd like to know.

Depends which Muslims you ask, actually. Many Muslims believe that Christians and Jews have distorted and misinterpreted sacred texts. They are protected only as long as they accept Islamic supremacy.

But in any case, this is irrelevant. Replace my statement with one from any faith you like. You can even make up a faith. The fact is that demanding that other people prove you wrong is not the way to go about arguing your point. You have to offer some proof, or they're just going to tell you to take a hike.

 

[David Brider]

My problem with "Homosexual Pride" is exactly in the name. Someone is actually taking PRIDE in committing acts of homosexuality???

No, it's about pride in being who they are - specifically, being homosexual - not about what acts they may or may not "commit".

David.

 

[Suomipoika]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Until then; you will be rebuked for your vile sin. You will be corrected and commanded to repent and turn your life to Christ.[/FONT]

Wait a minute... so do you think they should

A) be "rebuked for their vile sin, corrected and commanded to repent and turn their lives to Christ"

or that they should

B) "surely be put to death"?

...or

C) both (A + B = C)

 

[Ohioprof]

Bb, I couldn't get onto the "Straight Pride" site. I guess I don't have some kind of plug-in or something.

Anyway, I think it is a knee jerk reaction to "Gay (homosexual) Pride". Which I kind of understand.

My problem with "Homosexual Pride" is exactly in the name. Someone is actually taking PRIDE in committing acts of homosexuality??? After GOD has very clearly spoken that HE hates this very wicked sin. Someone is actually going to say that they take pride in this vile SIN???

ONCE AGAIN: can you imagine "Rapist Pride"? Or "Necrophilia Pride"? Or "Bestiality Pride"?

Having a "Bestiality Pride" parade, where practitioner's of bestiality have floats where they scream obscenities, throw condoms into the crowds and do simulated sex scenes with animals. Can you imagine this? Well what is the difference between this and a "homosexual pride" parade?

One must think about these things.

SOLA GRATIA.

Many of us have thought about these things for a long time. Being gay is in no way parallel to being a rapist, or engaging in bestiality or necrophilia. It's being attracted to, and forming a marriage and family with, someone of the same sex rather than someone of the opposite sex. It's about loving another consenting adult, and forming a family.

There is much for gay people to be proud of. Gay people have endured and survived societal hatred, laws (now gone in the U.S.) that put us in jail for loving our spouses, physical attacks for being ourselves, and mostly silence in the wider culture about our lives. Many have taken the risk of speaking their personal truths to power, of becoming visible in a society that mostly sought to keep us silent and invisible. And in a relatively short time, we have gone from being regarded as social outcasts to winning equal and fair treatment under the law or nearly equal and fair treatment under the law in several states. We continue to make progress, as young people of all sexual orientations recognize the pointlessness and moral wrong of mistreating and denigrating gay people and champion equality and fairness. The future looks promising, and I am filled with hope. That is why I celebrate gay pride and welcome caring people of all sexual orientations to join us in that celebration.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Many of us have thought about these things for a long time. Being gay is in no way parallel to being a rapist, or engaging in bestiality or necrophilia. It's being attracted to, and forming a marriage and family with, someone of the same sex rather than someone of the opposite sex. It's about loving another consenting adult, and forming a family.

It is the breakdown of morality and decency that allows for the rise of this kind of thing. History is not silent on gays and lesbians rising in civilizations. Always to be opposed by the larger populace sooner or later.

There is much for gay people to be proud of.

Why? How? Isn't it "just sex?" Why the need for the ad campaigns?

Gay people have endured and survived societal hatred, laws (now gone in the U.S.) that put us in jail for loving our spouses, physical attacks for being ourselves, and mostly silence in the wider culture about our lives.

Why is this? Why, throughout history is homosexuality and those that practic the act get driven away from society. You GLBT's need to ask yourselves what it is you do and have done that makes people oppose you so. The history is long and consistent about that. Although I believe Hadrian died in office.

Many have taken the risk of speaking their personal truths to power, of becoming visible in a society that mostly sought to keep us silent and invisible.

To read gays about gays, you would think they would be hailed as the greatest moral minds of all times. We just don't see this played out in reality "in" history. "Gays" always get driven away sooner or later from the populace as a whole. Christians have only existed for two-thousand years, a Jews were never an aspect of other civilizations. yet, you see "gays" opposed consistently. Otherwise, we would not be where we are now.

And in a relatively short time, we have gone from being regarded as social outcasts to winning equal and fair treatment under the law or nearly equal and fair treatment under the law in several states. We continue to make progress, as young people of all sexual orientations recognize the pointlessness and moral wrong of mistreating and denigrating gay people and champion equality and fairness.

The Greeks and the Romans all had supporters of "gay" people and their proclivities, just to reject them after time. The Greeks actually having laws prohibiting "gays" from going into schools (gymnasiums as they were called in ancient Greece). Why is that I wonder? The slippery slope stretches throughout history it seems. As a civilization crumbles by immorality becoming celebrated it seems. For one reason or another.

Many of us have thought about these things for a long time. Being gay is in no way parallel to being a rapist, or engaging in bestiality or necrophilia.

Of course, things would change rapidly if these sexual orientations had necrophiliac and bestiality lawyers, psychologists and psychiatrists, judges and politicians supporting them as well. And "rape" seems quite the fad in our higher education places these days. People just grin and bear it.

The future looks promising, and I am filled with hope. That is why I celebrate gay pride and welcome caring people of all sexual orientations to join us in that celebration.

I care about my family. I will keep my doors and windows shut and locked as gay pride parades by. Until of course, its time to start a new country. Then, I'm not looking back.

 

[WhatThe]

"I care about my family. I will keep my doors and windows shut and locked as gay pride parades by. Until of course, its time to start a new country. Then, I'm not looking back."

What the...?
Polycarp you are one seriously deluded human being.
I'll lock my doors and windows... seriously... coz a regular part of pride parades in breaking into houses... moron.

 

[TheManeki]

Why is this? Why, throughout history is homosexuality and those that practic the act get driven away from society. You GLBT's need to ask yourselves what it is you do and have done that makes people oppose you so. The history is long and consistent about that. Although I believe Hadrian died in office.

You mean like the Greeks? They had no problem with homosexuality, and were one of the most advanced cultures of the time.

To read gays about gays, you would think they would be hailed as the greatest moral minds of all times. We just don't see this played out in reality "in" history. "Gays" always get driven away sooner or later from the populace as a whole. Christians have only existed for two-thousand years, a Jews were never an aspect of other civilizations. yet, you see "gays" opposed consistently. Otherwise, we would not be where we are now.

In addition to the Greeks, we also see that homosexuality was part of other ancient cultures, such as the Chinese, Japanese, and Egyptians. And the gays were not "driven away" by these cultures.

It seems your ignorance of theology matches your ignorance of history.

 

[Ohioprof]

It is the breakdown of morality and decency that allows for the rise of this kind of thing. History is not silent on gays and lesbians rising in civilizations. Always to be opposed by the larger populace sooner or later.



Why? How? Isn't it "just sex?" Why the need for the ad campaigns?



Why is this? Why, throughout history is homosexuality and those that practic the act get driven away from society. You GLBT's need to ask yourselves what it is you do and have done that makes people oppose you so. The history is long and consistent about that. Although I believe Hadrian died in office.



To read gays about gays, you would think they would be hailed as the greatest moral minds of all times. We just don't see this played out in reality "in" history. "Gays" always get driven away sooner or later from the populace as a whole. Christians have only existed for two-thousand years, a Jews were never an aspect of other civilizations. yet, you see "gays" opposed consistently. Otherwise, we would not be where we are now.



The Greeks and the Romans all had supporters of "gay" people and their proclivities, just to reject them after time. The Greeks actually having laws prohibiting "gays" from going into schools (gymnasiums as they were called in ancient Greece). Why is that I wonder? The slippery slope stretches throughout history it seems. As a civilization crumbles by immorality becoming celebrated it seems. For one reason or another.



Of course, things would change rapidly if these sexual orientations had necrophiliac and bestiality lawyers, psychologists and psychiatrists, judges and politicians supporting them as well. And "rape" seems quite the fad in our higher education places these days. People just grin and bear it.



I care about my family. I will keep my doors and windows shut and locked as gay pride parades by. Until of course, its time to start a new country. Then, I'm not looking back.

As a history professor, I can tell you that your assertions that gay people always get driven away sooner or later is not true. Different societies have treated gay people in different ways, and in some societies, gay people are and have been simply accepted. I think the roots of anti-gay prejudice lie in the tradition of male domination of women. Societies that are more patriarchal, where sexism is strongest, also tend to be the most anti-gay.

As male domination of women has lessened in many societies, and men and women have come to embrace equality or near equality, anti-gay prejudice and discrimination have lessened. I think that is no accident. When a society is not based on either strict gender segregation and gender roles or on male domination, there becomes no real motivation to discriminate against gay people. A number of scholars have argued that homophobia, the fear and loathing of gay people, has been used in the past to keep sexism in place. As both men and women have rejected sexism in favor of equality, homophobia has lessened. Anti-gay discrimination and anti-gay attitudes are irrational and serve no positive social purpose.

There are gay people who are great champions of morality and justice. And there are heterosexuals who are great champions of morality and justice. And there are bisexuals and transgender people who are great champions of morality and justice. A commitment to morality and justice does not depend on a person's sexual orientation.

Being gay is not "just sex." Being gay is who some of us are. It's about whom we love. It's about the person to whom we choose to commit our lives. It's about creating a family with someone we love.

For people to be honest and open about who they are is not a breakdown of morality. It is simple honesty, a willingness to speak the truth about our lives. That more gay people can be honest and open is evidence that our fellow Americans and people in other countries are beginning more and more to treat gay people fairly and as equals. And equal and fair treatment for all people is probably the greatest moral principle of all. It's an expression of the call by Jesus to love our neighbor as ourselves. I see morality being enhanced by people's fair and equal treatment of their gay and bisexual and transgender neighbors. That's not immorality; that's an expression of the teachings of Jesus, the following of the example of Jesus.

There is no relationship between necrophilia and bestiality and people being gay or heterosexual or bisexual. People just are gay or heterosexual or bisexual; these are God-given characteristics. They are not illnesses, just characteristics. That different people have different characteristics is not wrong; God's creation is diverse, and that's a good thing.

I care about my family too. I brought my daughter to our gay pride parade, and we marched with our church and with a coalition of church groups and other faith groups. There were Christians marching and Jews marching and people from my faith tradition, which is Unitarian Universalism. We were all marching to support equality and acceptance for gay, bisexual, and transgender people.

You certainly don't have to bring your children to a gay pride parade. I think our community's parade was a festive, joyous family occasion, and my daughter enjoyed participating.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It is the breakdown of morality and decency that allows for the rise of this kind of thing. History is not silent on gays and lesbians rising in civilizations. Always to be opposed by the larger populace sooner or later.

Not really. Homophobia is a relatively recent sociological phenomenon.

Why? How? Isn't it "just sex?" Why the need for the ad campaigns?

Homosexuality is not 'just sex', nor are Gay Pride events ad campaigns. Do you consider Black Pride events to be ad campaigns?

Why is this? Why, throughout history is homosexuality and those that practic the act get driven away from society. You GLBT's need to ask yourselves what it is you do and have done that makes people oppose you so. The history is long and consistent about that. Although I believe Hadrian died in office.

I think you need to review your history.

To read gays about gays, you would think they would be hailed as the greatest moral minds of all times. We just don't see this played out in reality "in" history. "Gays" always get driven away sooner or later from the populace as a whole. Christians have only existed for two-thousand years, a Jews were never an aspect of other civilizations. yet, you see "gays" opposed consistently. Otherwise, we would not be where we are now.

So Judaeo-Christian societies are the only ones that have ever existed?

The Greeks and the Romans all had supporters of "gay" people and their proclivities, just to reject them after time. The Greeks actually having laws prohibiting "gays" from going into schools (gymnasiums as they were called in ancient Greece). Why is that I wonder? The slippery slope stretches throughout history it seems. As a civilization crumbles by immorality becoming celebrated it seems. For one reason or another.

Ancient Greece was the pinnacle of human civilisation, and it was fully accepting of homosexuals. Funny thing is, nothing has changed. And let's not forget the mighty Roman Empire (which was, funnily enough, pro-gay).

Did Rome fall to moral indecency? No: it fell to barbarian invasions.

Of course, things would change rapidly if these sexual orientations had necrophiliac and bestiality lawyers, psychologists and psychiatrists, judges and politicians supporting them as well. And "rape" seems quite the fad in our higher education places these days. People just grin and bear it.

Yes, we all go out and have a nice gang rape in the evenings at my university.

A point of contention: what is wrong with necrophilia and bestiality? I personal find the two revolting, but why is it held to be immoral? Sexual attraction to the deceased and to non-human animals is quite outside the norm, but so what?

I care about my family. I will keep my doors and windows shut and locked as gay pride parades by.

In case the Gay Mafia break in and rearrange your furniture? The Dykes On Bikes fit you with a new kitchen?

Oh the moral decadence!

 

[Ohioprof]

I hear some folks complaining about gay pride parades, asking why we need to exhibit "pride." Pride parades are commonly organized by all kinds of groups, not just gay people.

New York City has a pride parade organized by some group or other through most of the summer months, and in other months as well. Here is a list of the various pride parades held in New York by different groups. I am not including here the big parades that include everyone to celebrate U.S. holidays, like the Memorial Day Parade or the 4th of July parade. On the list are pride parades and celebrations by various groups in New York:

January: Three Kings Parade, (Latin American), Chinese New Year Parade (sometimes in February)
March: St. Patrick's Day Parade and other Irish American parades, Greek Independence Day Parade.
April: Sikh Cultural Society Parade and Festival.
May: Cuban Day, Bronx Latinos Unidos, Dance March, Global Marijuana March, Turkish-American Parade, Haitian Flag Day, Norweigian-American 17th of May, Martin Luther King Jr./369th Regiment Parade, Haitian-American Day Parade.
June: Phillipine Independence Day, Several gay pride parades (Queens, Brooklyn, GLBT Pride), Hare Krishna Parade, Puerto Rican Day Parade and other Puerto Rican parades, Children's Evangelical Parade.
July: Captive Nations Parade, Festival de Gran Parada Dominicana del Bronx.
August: Dragon Boat Festival, Puerto Rican Day parades in the Bronx and Brooklyn, Christian Youth Parade, India Independence Day Parade, Dominican Day Parade, and Pakistan Independence Day Parade.
September: West Indian American Day Carnival Parade (Brooklyn Carnival), Caribbean American Family Day Festival, Brazil Independence Day Festival, SoHo Art Parade, Feast of San Genarro, Steuban Day, International Cultures Parade, Muslim Day, Mexican Day, and African-American Day.
October: Columbus Day Parade, Hispanic Day Parade, Nigerian Parade, Pulaski Day Parade, Korean Harvest Day Parade.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Wait a minute... so do you think they should

A) be "rebuked for their vile sin, corrected and commanded to repent and turn their lives to Christ"

or that they should

B) "surely be put to death"?

...or

C) both (A + B = C)

A.

A, is the correct answer.