Homosexuallity is the same as polygamy

[savedandhappy1]

No, see my thread about Sodomites.

Sodomite = inhabitor of Sodom

All other references, including "sodomy" were made through the raping of the inhabitors, this is not an example to be used for monogamous relationships.

Monogamous relationships = notice MONO against your POLY thread title

Not to be compared on any level.

The story of Sodom has given rise to words in several languages, including English: the word "sodomy", meaning acts (stigmatized as "unnatural vice") such as homosexuality and anal sex and the word "sodomite", meaning one who practices such acts.

In the Middle Ages, the terms "sodomite" and "buggery" were defined as homosexual practices, and the arguably gay Richard I of England was ordered by a priest to keep in mind "the sin of Sodom".

Middle Ages
pl.n.
The period in European history between antiquity and the Renaissance, often dated from A.D. 476 to 1453

First century Christian and Jewish opinions

The Epistle of Jude in the New Testament echoes the Genesis narrative and recalls mainly the sexually immoral aspects of Sodom's sins: “…just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire” (v. 7, English Standard Version). The phrase rendered “unnatural desire” is literally translated “strange flesh”, but it is not entirely clear what it refers to. The ESV translators supply one plausible paraphrase in making the phrase refer to the illicit sexual activity of the Genesis account (cf. the language of the epistle to the Romans 1:21-32), but another theory is that it is just a reference to the “strange flesh” of the intended rape victims, who were angels, not men.
The Jewish historian Josephus used the term “Sodomites” summarizing the Genesis narrative: “About this time the Sodomites grew proud, on account of their riches and great wealth; they became unjust towards men, and impious towards God, in so much that they did not call to mind the advantages they received from him: they hated strangers, and abused themselves with Sodomitical practices” (Antiquities 1.11.1 [2] — circa A.D. 96). The final element of his assessment goes beyond the Biblical data, even in the New Testament. Nonetheless, this meaning is the primary one used today.

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[EnemyPartyII]

So, can I follow polygamy, since we all know that you can be a homosexual.

How can you POSSIBLY equate homosexuality with polygamy?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

How can you POSSIBLY equate homosexuality with polygamy?

Well, I was born with the will to be a polygamist. Why are you judging me?

 

[PinkTulip]

How can you POSSIBLY equate homosexuality with polygamy?

Same reason you can argue adultery, premarital sex, open marriages, pedophiles. They are all sexual sins.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well, I was born with the will to be a polygamist. Why are you judging me?

Who's judgin? If you can find more than one woman who is prepared to give fully disclosed, informed consent to being in a polygamous relationship with you, whats wrong with that?

But you did not answer MY question, how do you see polygamy and homosexuality as homolagous?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Same reason you can argue adultery, premarital sex, open marriages, pedophiles. They are all sexual sins.

Um, well ACTUALLY...

adultery is a sin because its a breach of contract,

pre-marital sex is only a form of sin in the Biblical context as a form of asset protection, and in the modern context, no longer need be considered sinful,

open marriages aren't discussed anywhere in the Bible, so I don't see how you can be so sure they are sinful,

paedophilia is sinful if practiced because it is ASSAULT. It compromises a person who is incapable of giving informed consent, THAT is way paedophilia is a sin

Polygamy is APPROVED of in the Bible.

So, if you care to actually deal with the facts, can you please explain how homosexuality and polygamy are analogous? or indeed, homosexuality and any of the above? You'll need to explain the REASON why you consider homosexuality a sin, an uncomentated Bible quote will be insufficient

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Who's judgin? If you can find more than one woman who is prepared to give fully disclosed, informed consent to being in a polygamous relationship with you, whats wrong with that?

But you did not answer MY question, how do you see polygamy and homosexuality as homolagous?

So it's now ok for me to be a polygamist as well?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Um, well ACTUALLY...

adultery is a sin because its a breach of contract,

pre-marital sex is only a form of sin in the Biblical context as a form of asset protection, and in the modern context, no longer need be considered sinful,

open marriages aren't discussed anywhere in the Bible, so I don't see how you can be so sure they are sinful,

paedophilia is sinful if practiced because it is ASSAULT. It compromises a person who is incapable of giving informed consent, THAT is way paedophilia is a sin

Polygamy is APPROVED of in the Bible.

So, if you care to actually deal with the facts, can you please explain how homosexuality and polygamy are analogous? or indeed, homosexuality and any of the above? You'll need to explain the REASON why you consider homosexuality a sin, an uncomentated Bible quote will be insufficient

You are the one that doesn't except Paul's writtings as scripture, right? Just wanted to point that out for those that may not be aware of that yet.

 

[davedjy]

You are the one that doesn't except Paul's writtings as scripture, right? Just wanted to point that out for those that may not be aware of that yet.

She doesn't have to accept or decline his writings to show the flaw in your logic, that is what is so humorous about this!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So it's now ok for me to be a polygamist as well?

I personally don't have a problem with polygamy, assuming the equality of all those in the partnership, and the informed consent of all of them.

You might have a hard time finding 2 or more women to agree to live with you in such an arangement, but if you do, well good luck to you.

You are the one that doesn't except Paul's writtings as scripture, right? Just wanted to point that out for those that may not be aware of that yet.

I have seen no evidence that Paul considered his OWN writings to be scripture... I certainly see no reason to consider them inerrant and universally applicable.

 

[PinkTulip]

I personally don't have a problem with polygamy, assuming the equality of all those in the partnership, and the informed consent of all of them.

You might have a hard time finding 2 or more women to agree to live with you in such an arangement, but if you do, well good luck to you.

I have seen no evidence that Paul considered his OWN writings to be scripture... I certainly see no reason to consider them inerrant and universally applicable.

Paul's writings have been Scripture for how many years??? Did you receive some vision from God stating Paul's writings are not Scripture? And why do you think you know more than the early church fathers on what should or should not be included in the Bible? I do not understand why so many Christians dismiss the Bible so quickly because certain parts of it do not jive with current social beliefs.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And why do you think you know more than the early church fathers on what should or should not be included in the Bible?

20/20 hindsight... thats IF you consder 400ish when the Bible was first compiled to be early by church father standards...

Oh, and were THEY divinely inspired as well, about what books should go in and which shouldn't?

 

[davedjy]

Paul's writings have been Scripture for how many years??? Did you receive some vision from God stating Paul's writings are not Scripture? And why do you think you know more than the early church fathers on what should or should not be included in the Bible? I do not understand why so many Christians dismiss the Bible so quickly because certain parts of it do not jive with current social beliefs.

According to the early Church fathers...you shouldn't even be able to vote, being a woman and all.

Do you exercise your right to vote or what?!?

 

[PinkTulip]

According to the early Church fathers...you shouldn't even be able to vote, being a woman and all.

Do you exercise your right to vote or what?!?

LOL, not in Canada. I vote in the States

 

[EnemyPartyII]

LOL, not in Canada. I vote in the States

So, just how closely do you follow all the Paulian stuff about how women should be subserviant and all?

 

[PinkTulip]

So, just how closely do you follow all the Paulian stuff about how women should be subserviant and all?

Like his writings on women in the church?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Like his writings on women in the church?

Yes

 

[davedjy]

LOL, not in Canada. I vote in the States

So you DO exercise your right to vote.

Why would you disobey Paul and the Early Church Fathers?

 

[PinkTulip]

So you DO exercise your right to vote.

Why would you disobey Paul and the Early Church Fathers?

Could you give me that exact passage? I would like to read it.

 

[davedjy]

Could you give me that exact passage? I would like to read it.

You don't technically need a verse in the Bible to know that women were not equal to men, in Biblical times, and in the early Church days. The early Church just followed the same logic, about keeping your woman under control, and not allowing her to speak till she gets home, and all that jazz.