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The end result is death.....Homosexuality can't be of God because it bring about no life or the possibility there of. There is not one scripture supportive of homosexuality. I can find scriptures supportive of marriage(being man and wife), being single, women that can not have children... I can find scriptures on relationships between blood brothers, In-laws, friends, children and parents, adopted brothers, government and public............no where does the bible go into depth of how homosexual relationship....If homosexuality was pleasing to God then why is there no where describing this relationship? Why is there no advice for homosexuals in a relationship?
Let me guess that got messed up too in the translation? Get real.....I have yet to see any proof that God is supportive of homosexuality, only attempts to discredit the bible.
It's facetiousness at its best not only is incorrect with major gaps the very logic is sophomoric. "This is not clearly stated so God has to be ok with it" is their logic but one could say "It's not supported at all anywhere so God has to be against it"(using the same logic they are using).
Then there next argument is "God made me this way I was born like this"
no one was born with a sexual orientation that is default,
then there is the argument nature vs. nurture which many scientist and studies have proven arguable that nurture wins.
And the bible says train up a child the way he shall go and he shall not part from it...Basically saying that in the case of nature vs nurture nurture wins biblical speaking and scientifically speaking.
They can not prove it and their only way to win the argument is by bringing up black civil rights, gay marriage(which they can't find one gay marriage in the bible) and accusing people of being anti-gay.
I'm not judging a belief system I am not even saying its wrong. What I am saying is the Bible says its wrong(therefore I think its wrong), but also that the very logic behind it is flawed and simple, and not only lacks Biblical support but it also lacks any other proof.It is utter nonsense that a Christian or a group of Christians (a Church or denomination) cannot judge an individual or an ideology (another belief system). Jesus makes it clear that it is important to judge things and people, but with a dire warning of guidelines for doing so.
oh me??? ok.... I think I may fall into your definition of conservativeTo the conservative posters (you know who you are), please take a look at my intersexuality thread and chime in your position. I'm really interested in hearing what you guys think.
Where is that thread?
To the conservative posters (you know who you are), please take a look at my intersexuality thread and chime in your position. I'm really interested in hearing what you guys think.
Choose a gender and go with it.
But hopefully, you know that medical science can determine the gender of almost every person on earth by way of their DNA.
Which of course, judges the choices of individuals much harder than anything a fundy can come up with.
Just flawed logic but before they say "if they were born like that then we are too." I would like to say 1st prove it, prove that homosexuals with out a doubt were born like that....sceinticfically speaking I can find studies that state homosexuality is a mental illness, also studies that state sexual orientation is influenced by nurture(i.e environment). There are studies that state differently but much of psychology is guessing result of studies.As I said on that thread the title InterSEX is about the sex of the person, hermaphrodite being a combination, the thread seem more about the sexuality of the person, that being their sexual desires. I have no intention of discussing the position of a hermaphrodite with people who are only interested in same sex sexual attractions. .. remmeber God is primarily looking at the heart and mind, not the outward appearance.
Having a combination of sexual organs and characteristics means the hermaphrodite is not definable as distinctly male or female, thats completely different from a man who thinks he is homosexual.
Same sex relations are condemned in the Bible kiwimac, men with men instead of women, are you saying a hermaphrodite is a man or a woman, and how does that your pro-gay argument as a man?
sorry but descriptions of people with Turner's Syndrome refer to them as girls or boys, thats gender.False. A genetic "mistake," called Aneuploidy, can occur in the sex chromosomes just as often as it can in any other chromosome.
This is such a silly argument. You don't change your sexual orientation just because you believe in Jesus. You didn't stop becoming heterosexual, when you became Christian. Biology doesn't change just because your belief system does. You can't cure "gayness". It will in 99.9% of cases, never change at any point in someone's life.
Many of us have brought this issue to God for 10-20 years or more, and his answer never changes. Neither is orientation changed, or does God condemn based on it.
Nice rant stephen, the evil of the world is due to human ignorance or greed, it cannot be destroyed, it exists as evidence of the negative results of our lives at judgement. I think you could be referring to evil spirits of the world, it is my understanding that their affairs are not ours, we are to worship The Lord and have nothing to do with His enemy or what happens on their day of judgement. The problem in our world dates back to Eden since that time the human has been born with a heart leaning away from God and toward sin. A change (baptism in Jesus' name) means the disciple is now acutely aware of sin and as you said, will naturally prefer to turn away from sin and toward God.If you didn't change when you accepted Christ then you haven't been reborned. Rebirth is to come into awareness of God's will through Jesus Christ. Since you don't know the power of change through knowing his will, how can you call yourselves reborn, a very necessary first step to be a Christian. Is God weak and to accept the weakness of his creation over his word (physical, genetic, mental, inborn fallacies to his word or other)? God gives us sexual procreation desires which include protecting the children and wife. This family unit grows and affords many riches that come on their own naturally for generations. The sexual desire is blessed with children and a nurturing spirit, as well as completeness and purpose.
God will bless anyone who is born-again. All you have to do is be willing to change and follow Christ. God will help you to permanently change, despite the doubts and faithlessness of others. You will be so happy and will be able to understand others who are lost and haven't the faith to see His will. You will love them over to Jesus, I pray.
By the way, Obama is for change, modern thinking is for change, human nature is for advancing itself in its own authority and for this type of change. Guess who is the biggest fan for change of all. God. He will change the evil of this world to dust and lead his people who have changed from the will of the world towards his into his Kingdom, prepared for them. Going away from God isn't change at all, it has been around since the beginning, only the excuses have become more modern. Knowledge seems to bring more elaborate excuses to do as you please. Each stone of knowledge seems to be examined as to undermine God. Odd to use God's creation against his existence. Sounds a bit stupid. Are people waiting for the next step in knowledge to corner God into his extinction? Science has one real purpose: to be unbias and seeking the truth. The agendas of men, using the purity of science to mark their will in knowledge as it unfolds, are foolish. The only ones that really count as scientists are the impartial ones, who are willing to put their own thoughts on the back burner. God isn't for change yet and so we need to rethink the modern mind back into the will of God through Jesus Christ and stay there.
There is nothing that I have learned or will in the future that will change my faith in Christ Jesus. The miracles that I had will not support my faith alone, but the knowledge of Jesus' presence in my heart and life will.
He was selfish and didn't let his parents sleep at night for he cried constantly!What did that 5 month old baby do to deserve being under the penalty of death?
So what? If two gays gays have sexual intercourse with each other, does that mean it is okay for two heterosexuals to do the same? No. What we are arguing here is about homosexual behavior. And this behavior can be done by both gays and straights.Stealing harms people, and is prohibited under the 10 commandments. Nothing in Hebrew or Greek denotes that homosexuality is sinful except in the cases where it would be sinful for a heterosexual as well (rape, prostitution, idolatry etc.)
Show me some pro-computer using scriptures, otherwise you are sinning by participating on CF.
Yes I agree Avneil, if sexual attraction is innate then paedophilia and bestiality would be justfied on the same basis. Indeed if one should be allowed to persue the sexual attraction they are born with then I fail to see how adultery or promiscuity can be argued against on that basis.
On the contrary that’s a further condition you have placed on the argument. If the argument is based on sexual attraction being innate, which is often put forward, then paedophilia and bestiality qualify. If however it is also about consent then the original humanistic argument should include it.Wrong, because neither a minor nor an animal can give consent.
Great reply.1. The Bible doesn't say anything about computers.
2. On the other hand the Bible does speak against homosexual behavior.
This argument doesn't really work
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