Homosexuality

[arth247]

-Romans 1:26-27:"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet".


The current rave of homosexuality in the world and amongst those who claim to be "Christians"should be of great concern to us as true Christians.The Bible clearly condemns this act as being "against nature"(Romans1:26)and rightfully so.Even in the animal world it is natural for opposites to attract.Even dogs who are known for their licentious sexuality do not mate members of the same sex.Even nature portrays the laws of opposites attracting:The opposite sides of magnets attract and the same sides repel.The two opposite sides of a wire (positive and negative)merge together to produce current, the same sides cannot produce current.A negatively charged ion of an element needs a positively charged ion of another element to form a "balanced" compound.A female needs a male to produce a child.Members of the same sex cannot produce offspring.
The Bible says in the book of Jude:7 that one of the reasons Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God was because they went after "strange flesh"(going against the natural law of opposites).Gods word also says in Lev18:22:"You(a man) shall not lie with mankind as with womankind it is abomination". So Gods standards on homosexuality are very clear.We have no excuse trying to justify it.

Some of the proponents of this abominable lifestyle claim they were born that way and have no choice but to be that way.We were all born sinners but God doesn't expect us to remain sinners because its our nature to sin(eph 2:3,Romans 6:1-2)He is very much aware that we have a lawless and fallen nature and hence cannot obey his righteous commandments(Jer 13:23)That's why he sent his son into this fallen world to die for our sins so that anyone who accepts his son in his heart would receive the power to become his son(john 1:12)and would receive the power to obey his righteous requirements.So claiming that they are justified as Gods followers to be "gay"because it is their nature is absolute nonsense and rebellion because they can clearly see in his word he has never and will never condone such lawlessness.(Eze 12:2)and has provided a way to overcome this satanic lifestyle.
These lawless rebels use Bible verses like John 3:16,matt7:1 and john 13:35 to try to get support and sympathy from other Christians who do not condone their lawless lifestyles.They say that God is love and that he loves them as they are and that the same God commanded us to "love them"and not judge them.They are just like their father the devil who seeks to twist the word of God to his own Profit (Matt 4:6,2 cor 11:14,2 pet 3:16)

God loves the sinner but hates sin.If all the world needed was "love" and "tolerance"God wouldnt have bothered sending his son to die for our sins in order to change us to be like him( 2 cor5:17 Romans 12:2)He would have just enjoined us to love and accept each other for who we were(sinners)and be tolerant of our lawless behaviors.He would have also just "loved" the sodomites and allowed them to continue in their godless lifestyles.How can a loving God see his own children perishing in hell and leave them in that state because "its their nature" being that way?How many of us would see our kids playing with a poisonous snake and leave them alone because they enjoyed playing with it?We cant claim to love people by letting them live in a destructive way. We have to tell them the truth.(Thats why God sent the two"angels" into Sodom to warn the sodomites before He destroyed them)

Also, its is our responsibility to judge them based on Gods word(1 cor 5:12-13,2 cor 10:6)The truth is very clear and we are the truth bearers in the world(Matt5:14,Eze 33:7 matt 28:19)

When Humanity willingly continues in sin when They can clearly see the truth in Gods word that God has never and will never condone this antichrist lifestyle,They are implying that They have no regards for His laws,that they are a law unto themselves(are not answerable to God) and hence will face his indignation(Heb 10:28-29).

The Bible says in Psalms 11:5:"The Lord trieth the righteous but the wicked and him who loves violence his soul hates"The psalmist also said in Psalm 139:21-22o not i hate those that hate thee?....I hate them with "perfect"hatred,I count them my enemies.When we willingly continue to sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth and have utter disdain for God and his commandments,He becomes our enemy because We
have no regard for him.(Prov 1:24-26)

Also,When God was cursing the serpent in Gen 3:14-15, He said unto him :I will create an enmity between You and the woman(heavenly Jerusalem) and between Your seed(the world)and her seed(the church).The seed of satan and the seed of God have an eternal hatred for each other.That's why the Bible says in John 15:19 That if You(the church)were of the world the world will love its own but because You are not of the world but I(Jesus) have chosen You out of the world,Therefore the world hates You".

The church will never condone the lawlessness of satans system they will disdain it and refuse to conform to it.They will constantly seek to liberate "ignorant souls" in the world from their lawless ways because they love them and do not want them to perish.Once these ignorant souls reject the godly counsel that is given to them they will be damned(acts 13:46,Mark16:16,Matt3:10.) Also, the world(unless it repents)will never submit to or condone Gods commandments(1 cor 2:14,John 3:20)because they despise Gods standards and want to discover themselves(prov 18:2)
Those who love God keep his commandments(1 john 2:4,5:2)If we claim that we love God, we will reverence Him and by the Power of his Holy spirit we will seek to be more like Him and less like our fallen man.We have no excuse that justifies us to continue in our sinful ways(Romans 1:20)The truth is very clear in Gods word.Repent or perish You lawless ones.

 

[Fin12]

1. WOW no ones shown me that quote before.

2. Thier are cases of animal homosexuality, I believe the percentage is 10-15% of the species population, it's to do with keeping numbers from getting ridiculously out of hand.

3. Sodom and gomorah's destruction is often speculated over, homosexuality is ONE suggested reason, however the chances of a WHOLE city being gay is pretty rediculous the more likely explanation from the christian POV is that they were cities of sin.

4. Old couples can't produce offspring, are they immoral, is sex with contraceptives immoral in a marriage?

5. It's proven that homosexuality is not a choice, neither is hetero-sexuality or would you like to ask a homosexual man to make out with a woman while having his pulse measured, I'm willing to bet his physiological responce is not half as much as kissing his partner.

6. Don't equate homo-sexuality to satanism, you clearly don't understand satanism.

7. If it is in their nature to sin (homosexuality) as it is in your nature to sin, then I'm afraid your on the same moral ground.

8. I could argue you twist srcipture, everyone has their own interpretation, until you can prove that YOUR interpretation is correct I refused to accept that OTHERS are twisting scripture.

9. You have beam in your eye, remove it, then you can start talking about the gay community.

10. Salvation theory? Understand it, christinaity has very little to do with meeting strict laws, and far more to do with tyring to meet them and asking for forgiveness.

11. Alot of OT quotes... hmmm do you remember jesus?

12. Repent or perish correct.

Repent obey our laws or perish is not the choice presented although preferable.

Either your god forgives sinners or he does not.

 

[Jase]

-Romans 1:26-27:"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet".

Hmm, this verse has never been argued against before! What a new topic this will be!

The current rave of homosexuality in the world and amongst those who claim to be "Christians"should be of great concern to us as true Christians.

True Christian is a misnomer. You also have no right to contest anyone's salvation on this board.

The Bible clearly condemns this act as being "against nature"(Romans1:26)and rightfully so.Even in the animal world it is natural for opposites to attract.Even dogs who are known for their licentious sexuality do not mate members of the same sex.Even nature portrays the laws of opposites attracting:The opposite sides of magnets attract and the same sides repel.The two opposite sides of a wire (positive and negative)merge together to produce current, the same sides cannot produce current.A negatively charged ion of an element needs a positively charged ion of another element to form a "balanced" compound.A female needs a male to produce a child.Members of the same sex cannot produce offspring.

Oh boy, where to start. The Bible doesn't clearly condemn it. The majority of Christians and Jews in the world don't.

Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom actually. The concept of opposite attraction is related to hormones. Homosexuals have a different hormonal balance than hetersexuals, which changes the "opposites attract" concept.

Members of the same sex don't need to produce offspring. Not everyone in this world wants children, and that includes heterosexuals.

The Bible says in the book of Jude:7 that one of the reasons Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God was because they went after "strange flesh"(going against the natural law of opposites).

This would be because the men were trying to rape angels. Angels have different flesh than humans, therefore it is strange. Sodom was not destroyed for homosexuality. The Bible even indicates why Sodom was destroyed (inhospitality, arrogance, not helping those in need, etc.).

Gods word also says in Lev18:22:"You(a man) shall not lie with mankind as with womankind it is abomination". So Gods standards on homosexuality are very clear.We have no excuse trying to justify it.

Isn't an outright ban on homosexuality. Deals with the patriarchial system of the Israelites, and the ban on following the pagan worship rituals of the Egyptians and Caananites.

Some of the proponents of this abominable lifestyle claim they were born that way and have no choice but to be that way.We were all born sinners but God doesn't expect us to remain sinners because its our nature to sin(eph 2:3,Romans 6:1-2)He is very much aware that we have a lawless and fallen nature and hence cannot obey his righteous commandments(Jer 13:23)That's why he sent his son into this fallen world to die for our sins so that anyone who accepts his son in his heart would receive the power to become his son(john 1:12)and would receive the power to obey his righteous requirements.So claiming that they are justified as Gods followers to be "gay"because it is their nature is absolute nonsense and rebellion because they can clearly see in his word he has never and will never condone such lawlessness.(Eze 12:2)and has provided a way to overcome this satanic lifestyle.

I find your reasoning and argument to be very very insulting. It is not a satanic lifestyle. If it is, so is Christian fundamentalism. Take a guess on which has caused more destruction in this world.

These lawless rebels use Bible verses like John 3:16,matt7:1 and john 13:35 to try to get support and sympathy from other Christians who do not condone their lawless lifestyles.They say that God is love and that he loves them as they are and that the same God commanded us to "love them"and not judge them.They are just like their father the devil who seeks to twist the word of God to his own Profit (Matt 4:6,2 cor 11:14,2 pet 3:16)

Ok, I've had enough. This deserves a report. We are not the children of the devil. And you call yourself a true Christian?

 

[Nooj]

I don't care what your Bible says.

 

[lisah]

5. It's proven that homosexuality is not a choice, neither is hetero-sexuality

I think in some instances it can be chosen. Tastes can change in a number of ways throughout ones lifetime, including gender attraction. Human sexual attraction has a lot of factors that can influence it.

 

[Penumbra]

I really don't see why, out of all the different things Christians could focus on in this world, so many of them focus on homosexuality.

Why are there not Christians coming to the ethics board and pointing out how greedy we all are because we let 50,000 to 100,000 people in the world starve to death every day? Is a consenting relationship between two people really that much more important to spend time arguing against?

 

[The Nihilist]

Too long, didn't read

 

[ragarth]

I really don't see why, out of all the different things Christians could focus on in this world, so many of them focus on homosexuality.

Why are there not Christians coming to the ethics board and pointing out how greedy we all are because we let 50,000 to 100,000 people in the world starve to death every day? Is a consenting relationship between two people really that much more important to spend time arguing against?

Why were so many christians against interracial marriage, woman's suffrage, abolition of slavery? It's because of knee-jerk reactionism. There's no moore or means as to why it's a hot topic amongst the morally righteous, it just lights a fire in their belly because of a sense of superiority in some way, a sense of moral hubris you might say.

 

[b&wpac4]

What was the moral or ethical question posed in the OP?

 

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