Homosexuality

[davedjy]

You got any... you know... EVIDENCE to back up this claim that homosexuals all die early, and as a direct result of being homosexuals?

No, didn't think so.

Yes...and once again we have someone posting a false translation in 1 Cor. 6:9...

As for the highlighted word "sodomite", see the NJKV of 1 Cor. 6:9...it lists a homosexual and a sodomite as a separate thing. A sodomite was an inhabitant of Sodom.

Jude...well, this scripture is rarely used any more against homosexuality because it is understood by most to mean that the angels were leaving what was “natural” for them (i.e. their spiritual plain) to cohabit with humans. This union between “strange flesh” was considered out of God’s intended order of things.


As for Romans 1, it talks about those who went against what was natural to them instinctively. Looking at the Greek words "phusikos" and "phusis", it is a person's natural instinct and disposition.


As for the sin of Sodom:

'Ezekiel 16:46-50: Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

 

[spinningtutu]

I would just like to add that the word "homosexual" was not incorporated into any English translation of the Bible until the RSV came out in the 50's...

...and the "new" scholarship of the 50's which "finally" showed that the Greek words really did refer to "homosexuality" came straight out of the Nazi German party!

Seriously, all the lexical work on the Greek NT after the 50's is built on the work of Gerhard Kittel, who supposedly contributed so much to New Testament studies and the Greek NT in the '30s and '40s. As it were, Kittel was a Nazi who was hired by Hitler to come up with a Biblical excuse to execute homosexuals, Jews and others that Hitler wanted to do away with (some English translations also have a subtle anti-Jewish slant which is not justified from the Greek).

When "well intentioned" Christians use the Bible against homosexuals, they are really perpetuating the Nazi agenda in the name of Christ. I believe that it is they who will have to answer to God for this (mis)treatment of hir Word.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I would just like to add that the word "homosexual" was not incorporated into any English translation of the Bible until the RSV came out in the 50's...

...and the "new" scholarship of the 50's which "finally" showed that the Greek words really did refer to "homosexuality" came straight out of the Nazi German party!

Seriously, all the lexical work on the Greek NT after the 50's is built on the work of Gerhard Kittel, who supposedly contributed so much to New Testament studies and the Greek NT in the '30s and '40s. As it were, Kittel was a Nazi who was hired by Hitler to come up with a Biblical excuse to execute homosexuals, Jews and others that Hitler wanted to do away with (some English translations also have a subtle anti-Jewish slant which is not justified from the Greek).

When "well intentioned" Christians use the Bible against homosexuals, they are really perpetuating the Nazi agenda in the name of Christ. I believe that it is they who will have to answer to God for this (mis)treatment of hir Word.

Old, tired false rationalization. How boring.

 

[davedjy]

Old, tired false rationalization. How boring.

...the only thing tiresome is the rationalization for bigotry

 

[davedjy]

I would just like to add that the word "homosexual" was not incorporated into any English translation of the Bible until the RSV came out in the 50's...

...and the "new" scholarship of the 50's which "finally" showed that the Greek words really did refer to "homosexuality" came straight out of the Nazi German party!

Seriously, all the lexical work on the Greek NT after the 50's is built on the work of Gerhard Kittel, who supposedly contributed so much to New Testament studies and the Greek NT in the '30s and '40s. As it were, Kittel was a Nazi who was hired by Hitler to come up with a Biblical excuse to execute homosexuals, Jews and others that Hitler wanted to do away with (some English translations also have a subtle anti-Jewish slant which is not justified from the Greek).

When "well intentioned" Christians use the Bible against homosexuals, they are really perpetuating the Nazi agenda in the name of Christ. I believe that it is they who will have to answer to God for this (mis)treatment of hir Word.

Excellent and informative post.

 

[Catholicon]

...the only thing tiresome is the rationalization for bigotry

Whether it be homophobia or racism or anything else.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Whether it be homophobia or racism or anything else.

And the most obvious condition in this thread: Christophobia.

 

[IamRedeemed]

That is not true. It is true that the Bible has been used by many groups OUT OF CONTEXT though, to do wretched things. The word SODOMY is a word that is still in language today although much rarer than the word now used, which is homosexual. The Bible english word has been changed in most translations from Sodomy to homosexual, but whether it be Hebrew, Greek, English or Chinese or any language whatsoever, it is detestable in the sight of God, and those that do not turn from it (along with several other things) will indeed perish in their sin, because they loved their sin, MORE than they loved the Lord and did not trust Him to deliver them, so that He may write their names in the Lamb's Book of Life.

I would just like to add that the word "homosexual" was not incorporated into any English translation of the Bible until the RSV came out in the 50's...

...and the "new" scholarship of the 50's which "finally" showed that the Greek words really did refer to "homosexuality" came straight out of the Nazi German party!

Seriously, all the lexical work on the Greek NT after the 50's is built on the work of Gerhard Kittel, who supposedly contributed so much to New Testament studies and the Greek NT in the '30s and '40s. As it were, Kittel was a Nazi who was hired by Hitler to come up with a Biblical excuse to execute homosexuals, Jews and others that Hitler wanted to do away with (some English translations also have a subtle anti-Jewish slant which is not justified from the Greek).

When "well intentioned" Christians use the Bible against homosexuals, they are really perpetuating the Nazi agenda in the name of Christ. I believe that it is they who will have to answer to God for this (mis)treatment of hir Word.

 

[IamRedeemed]

There were NO inhabitants of Sodom for 1 Corinthians to have been referring to. It was destroyed in Genesis. To this day, it still has burning sulfur there.

And you keep ignoring verse 50 when you quote from the 16th chapter of Ezekiel.
The detestable things they did before the Lord was all kinds of sexual immorality,
including and not limited to sodomizing one another.

You are way out in left field with Jude as well as Romans 1.

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of those
Scriptures to you. He will not withhold the truth from you David.

Yes...and once again we have someone posting a false translation in 1 Cor. 6:9...

As for the highlighted word "sodomite", see the NJKV of 1 Cor. 6:9...it lists a homosexual and a sodomite as a separate thing. A sodomite was an inhabitant of Sodom.

Jude...well, this scripture is rarely used any more against homosexuality because it is understood by most to mean that the angels were leaving what was “natural” for them (i.e. their spiritual plain) to cohabit with humans. This union between “strange flesh” was considered out of God’s intended order of things.


As for Romans 1, it talks about those who went against what was natural to them instinctively. Looking at the Greek words "phusikos" and "phusis", it is a person's natural instinct and disposition.


As for the sin of Sodom:

'Ezekiel 16:46-50: Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

 

[Somelier]

That is not true. It is true that the Bible has been used by many groups OUT OF CONTEXT though, to do wretched things.

In the short time I have been here, you and others have shown this to be true.

 

[Catholicon]

In the short time I have been here, you and others have shown this to be true.

Didn't you know? THEIR interpretation is the only TRUE interpretation! The rest of us are either stupid or lying...

 

[Somelier]

Didn't you know? THEIR interpretation is the only TRUE interpretation! The rest of us are either stupid or lying...

Oh...

...my bad!

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

In the short time I have been here, you and others have shown this to be true.

Okay, on that note, if you believe same-sex sex to be blessed by God as it has been claimed in here, then please show me why you believe it is so. Scriptural evidence would be best, but whatever you have.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Didn't you know? THEIR interpretation is the only TRUE interpretation! The rest of us are either stupid or lying...

How can it be an interpretational issue when one does not even believe the bible to begin with? Take care.

 

[Ohioprof]

How can it be an interpretational issue when one does not even believe the bible to begin with? Take care.

Some of us do not believe that the Bible is God's word. I fall into that group, as you know. Others of us do believe the Bible is God's word, but interpret the Bible in diffferent ways.

 

[Ohioprof]

Old, tired false rationalization. How boring.

Are you saying that because you cannot answer the poster's arguments, they are to be labeled "boring?"

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Hi OP,

Some of us do not believe that the Bible is God's word. I fall into that group, as you know.

While I can respect your opinions, I obviously cannot agree. Without the bible as a guide, then all I'd know about what God tells me is that I shouldn't go outside during a thunderstorm and to stay out of the way of speeding cars. Other than that and a few other basic things, I'm free to do what I want.

Others of us do believe the Bible is God's word, but interpret the Bible in diffferent ways.

Yeah, its convenient isn't it?

 

[Ohioprof]

Hi OP,

While I can respect your opinions, I obviously cannot agree. Without the bible as a guide, then all I'd know about what God tells me is that I shouldn't go outside during a thunderstorm and to stay out of the way of speeding cars. Other than that and a few other basic things, I'm free to do what I want.
Yeah, its convenient isn't it?

You are free to do what you want. So is everyone. That is God's gift to us: free will. That's what makes being human interesting.

I don't think God gave us an instruction book, beyond our inner natures and our desire to survive. I don't think there is a scripture that is God's word. I think it's entirely up to us humans to figure out how to live, which makes living a wonderfully interesting challenge.

I don't know that different interpretations of the Bible are "convenient." They are just different. Everyone who reads the Bible interprets it. Some people seem to think that other people are the ones interpreting, while they are not. In fact, everyone is interpreting. There is no one right way to read any book. The act of reading is an act of interpreting.

 

[IamRedeemed]

So, in other words, according to you,
we are "gods" unto ourselves.

My God says otherwise, and not just in His Word.

He confirms everything He says, in His Word, to them
that believe, as that is all part of the relationship, those
that love Him have with Him.

What is the source of your information?

You are free to do what you want. So is everyone. That is God's gift to us: free will. That's what makes being human interesting.

I don't think God gave us an instruction book, beyond our inner natures and our desire to survive. I don't think there is a scripture that is God's word. I think it's entirely up to us humans to figure out how to live, which makes living a wonderfully interesting challenge.

I don't know that different interpretations of the Bible are "convenient." They are just different. Everyone who reads the Bible interprets it. Some people seem to think that other people are the ones interpreting, while they are not. In fact, everyone is interpreting. There is no one right way to read any book. The act of reading is an act of interpreting.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Didn't you know? THEIR interpretation is the only TRUE interpretation! The rest of us are either stupid or lying...

You said it.