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Who said anything about this thread?I haven't seen any hatred in this thread. I've seen discussion on a topic as to whether or not it's a sin. I haven't seen a single statement that even implies that any homosexual is of a lower class or any less human. If you have, please show me, because I agree, bigotry about that IS wrong. Telling someone that what they are doing is a sin, whatever that sin may be, isn't wrong, and isn't hatred.
Sorry, but I still don't understand this. Perhaps I'm just too tired. How did marriage come into this?Did the Hebrew people ever follow external regulations and cultural prohibitions for no good reason other than separating themselves from the rest of the world?
Hint; answer is no. What is culture, and why would something be prohibited within a culture?
For clarity, exploring the idea of women in leadership, headcovering, etc... is a very good starting point for discussion into this issue. That wasn't simply given because cultural practices were infringing the covenant relationship archetype, but because the very example dealt directly with the covenant relationship. Marital covenants and God's covenant archetype with His chosen people are mutually linked and intimately related to one another, so the implications are far reaching for both. However, I think people often misunderstand a lot of the messages that Paul gives because they look at it as if the message itself is an end in itself. These things aren't regulations for us to follow, but examples for how a paradigmatic relationship is supposed to operate.
I notice you didnt actually answer my questions .Just a quick question...
Why do you have a Catholic icon if you do not hold the beliefs of the CC?
If you disagree with its teachings, you are not Catholic.
Do you follow all the laws of Leviticus...
Actually it is not my personal prejudice...I got it from a Catholic website on the reasons why homosexual acts are wrong!...or are you cherry picking a couple verses to prop up your personal prejudice?
I wasn't condeming people...just stating the fact that if you live a life of sin, you will reap the consequences. Sin leads to death...Condemning people just because they are different can lead to loss of salvation
Freedom of religion…all religions…not just Christianity but all
Definitely goes against the ‘no Gods before me’ thing
Abolition of slavery. Flies in the face of biblical support of slavery
Yes, we are equal. Equal in sin.Everyone being equal…that includes gays and lesbians
what about those that can't have children? do you think them having sex knowing they can't procreate is wrong somehow?StarJewel,
Do you think lustful acts are sinful?
Why did God create man and woman?
Why is sex procreative?
Why would sex that has no possibility of creating life not be wrong?
What is true love? How is it different from feelings/inclinations/sexual desires?
What is the meaning of suffering?
ummm i don't think it's up to you to be questioning his use of icons.Just a quick question...
Why do you have a Catholic icon if you do not hold the beliefs of the CC?
If you disagree with its teachings, you are not Catholic.
This is where you are mistaken. We do not condemn the people.. We condemn the act.. For it is people whom Christ loves.. The act itself is an abomination to God.. To be in the body of believers and have this act of sin should not be tolorated.. For we are to be Holy as our Father is Holy.. We need to not accept the act but disciple people out of these acts..Through the word of God. So they too can be free of the sins of the flesh.. For Paul even said that some of the believers use to be some of these things.. I do not hate these people. For I once was walking in rebellion against God.. I too was at enmity with Him. But according to His grace He saved Me.. Now I know what My abba Father does and does not like.. For Christ is at work in me to do the Fathers will.. Do I condemn the people? Or do I say with God.. This is grave sin and no one will enter the Kingdom of God whom do these wicked acts.. So what do we do? We teach them the truth.. We show them What God says to be true so in doing this they too can come to the Father in the Name of Jesus and put off the old and put on the new.. All for the GLory of God.. Not for the Glory of man.
Are you saying that Jesus taught it was okay to condemn people because they are different? That prejudice and discrimination against a minority is ethical?
Can you cite chapter and verse where J esus says it is good and moral and just to hate those who are different?
Can you explain how discrimination and prejudice fit with Jesuss command to love one another?
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Many things are condemned in the bible that modern Christian happily ignore.
I do not see Christians justify discrimination and hate against the overweight or the handicapped why not?
Why is hatred directed against one minority acceptable?
so what of the infertile? Is sex with say a survivor of uterine cancer a sin then?
Read the catechism above for the first question. If I married only to satisfy lustful desires, then it was wrong. This is not the sole purpose of marriage...Why do you limit same sex relations to be only lustful. How would you respond to the accusation that the only reason you married was to satisfy your perverted sexual lusts?
Lustful desires are not love!!!!Why are you limiting a minority from experiencing the same love you experience?
Who said anything about this thread?
Why are you trying ot limit it to this thread
take what is said about homosexuals here and around check out Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council the justifications for discrimination stuff like that
Now change what is being said and change the minority group that is beign attacked.
If this stuff were said about blacks it would be labeled (correctly) bigotry. If it was said about Jews it would be anti Semitic. For any other minority it would he hate just because the minority being attacked is unpopular does not make hate good or moral or just.
I won't debat that Paul saw those things, or that they are wrong, or that homosexuality as it is practiced in our culture is different. None of that changes what Paul wrote though. Can you show me that he was speaking to those things as opposed to the fact that it was homosexual in nature? If your supposition was the case, why wouldn't it say "sex with the young" or "sex with multiple partners simultaneously" or "sex with someone not your spouse" instead of "man with man" and "burning in their lust one toward another"? That language certainly implies that the orientation is at issue, at least in this passage.
2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The "supreme gift of marriage" is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged "right to a child" would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right "to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents," and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."what about those that can't have children? do you think them having sex knowing they can't procreate is wrong somehow?
Why...if you claim to be Catholic, you should support Catholic doctrine and not personal opinions. I take offense to someone claiming to be Catholic and making claims that totally object to its teaching!ummm i don't think it's up to you to be questioning his use of icons.
and that answered my question......how exactly?2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The "supreme gift of marriage" is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged "right to a child" would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right "to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents," and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."
2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord's Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others.
hey, we all have freedom of thought. just bc one is Catholic does not make them a robot. and for what it's worth? i'm Catholic as well.Why...if you claim to be Catholic, you should support Catholic doctrine and not personal opinions. I take offense to someone claiming to be Catholic and making claims that totally object to its teaching!
good point uberOne has to wonder: have all these Scripture "bullet passages", and all the condemnations and aspersions, and "loving the sinner and hating the sin", and using the teachings of the Church to exclude people ever caused more than a very few gay or lesbian people to become heterosexual?
One thing I do know: these behaviors and attitudes have caused many, if not most gay and lesbian people to reject the Church* and Christianity, in entirety -- and the Church will be held accountable for that.
*The Church, e.g., Christianity as a whole
The Spiritual Works of Mercy are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbor in spiritual necessities (CCC #2447), those being focused on getting a soul to Heaven. The seven Spiritual Works of Mercy are:One has to wonder: have all these Scripture "bullet passages", and all the condemnations and aspersions, and "loving the sinner and hating the sin", and using the teachings of the Church to exclude people ever caused more than a very few gay or lesbian people to become heterosexual?
One thing I do know: these behaviors and attitudes have caused many, if not most gay and lesbian people to reject the Church* and Christianity, in entirety -- and the Church will be held accountable for that.
*The Church, e.g., Christianity as a whole
Exactly!Jesus never once in all His ministry embraced the sin.. Only the sinner.. What did He say to the woman at the well? Go and what Sin no more.. The adulterous woman Mary Magdiline..Neither do I condemn the go and what sin no more.. So He does embrace sinners.. He does not embrace sin.
Truth, but we of the church today, haven't been so good at that. There are a lot of people who claim to be Christians who have persecuted and been prejudiced, on any number of topics. (not necessarilly on this board, but in the world)Jesus never once in all His ministry embraced the sin.. Only the sinner.. What did He say to the woman at the well? Go and what Sin no more.. The adulterous woman Mary Magdiline..Neither do I condemn the go and what sin no more.. So He does embrace sinners.. He does not embrace sin.
The Spiritual Works of Mercy are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbor in spiritual necessities (CCC #2447), those being focused on getting a soul to Heaven. The seven Spiritual Works of Mercy are:
- Admonish the sinner
- Instruct the ignorant
- Counsel the doubtful
- Comfort the sorrowful
- Bear wrongs patiently
- Forgive all injuries
- Pray for the living and the dead
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