homosexuality

[grace-2]

I have seen places where they have had this subject before. and someone said that there is not one place in the bible that Jesus refers to homosexualty. Oh yes, there are several places. And I hope this is the right place for this. Here is one place in Romans 1:20-32

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Since is says this in the Holy word then jesus said it or ok'd it( so to speak)to be in the Holy Bible. But there is a specific place that Jesus does talk absolutely about this subject. I will remind everyone that Jesus is the Word.

 

[Corey]

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Read the sentence more closely...

Men leaving the natural use of women [procreation is Biblically considered the natural use], burning in their lust for one another [same sentence as leaving natural use; that means it refers to men and women burning in their lust for each other]...

 

[Bradford]

Moved from Social Science to Philoshphy & Morality. Please remember the rules when posting in homosexuality topics.

 

[Clem is Me]

Was Romans written by Jesus?

 

[Why?]

You're right Jesus is the Word, not the Bible; in my opinion. The Bible is our guide book. Jesus is The Living Word.

Romans 1

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.




*No matter what the sexual acts actually were, this passage is refering to Idolatry: Idol worship and the acts that the people worshiping were participating. No homosexuals today are having sex to worship a fertility idol.

And no, Clem, Romans was not written by Jesus. The whole Bible was written by men, and re-writen and re-written and re-written.

http://www.whosoever.org/bible/

 

[trunks2k]

Read the sentence more closely...

Men leaving the natural use of women [procreation is Biblically considered the natural use], burning in their lust for one another [same sentence as leaving natural use; that means it refers to men and women burning in their lust for each other]...

That's an interesting approach to that line. I've never seen it explained like that before, but it seems kind of obvious now.

 

[Clem is Me]

The Gir Avatar Roxorzzzz

 

[trunks2k]

The Gir Avatar Roxorzzzz

Yes it does. There's a better one that makes his dance a little longer and more fluid. But it takes up too much memory to be an avatar here

 

[Clem is Me]

Invader Zim is another example of how actual quality entertaniment is bypassed in this country.

 

[grace-2]

Invader Zim is another example of how actual quality entertaniment is bypassed in this country.

So it sounds to me like some of you think you can take Gods word and twist it around to suit yourselves.

you know that isn't the way it works. The Bible was written by imspired men of God inspired by God to write what the Holy spirit told them to write. So the Bible was written by the Father. and He made Jesus the word. He is in actuality the Word-All of the Word.

To me the Word, every bit of it is the truth! But you can beleive what you want I know what Gods word says. What it says, it says.

I really didn't know you all felt this way about the word. But I will always stand by what the Bible says . It is Truth. the only Truth!!!

 

[Randall McNally]

So it sounds to me like some of you think you can take Gods word and twist it around to suit yourselves.

you know that isn't the way it works. The Bible was written by imspired men of God inspired by God to write what the Holy spirit told them to write. So the Bible was written by the Father. and He made Jesus the word. He is in actuality the Word-All of the Word.

To me the Word, every bit of it is the truth! But you can beleive what you want I know what Gods word says. What it says, it says.

I really didn't know you all felt this way about the word. But I will always stand by what the Bible says . It is Truth. the only Truth!!!

And only your interpretation is the Truth, I suppose.

 

[grace-2]

And only your interpretation is the Truth, I suppose.

No not mine. Gods and the Words. thats who.

 

[trunks2k]

No not mine. Gods and the Words. thats who.

But people interpret the words to mean something different. Case in point, the passage mentioned before. Ignoring possible translation errors and bias in those translations, the wording itself is vague. If you read it one way, it can be talking about men who leave their wives to have sex with other men. If you read it another way, it's talking about men who have sex with thier wives purely for pleasure and not to have children.

Both interpretations are, in a literal sense, valid. There's no twisting of words - it's simply a question of who "eachother" is refering to.

 

[Stinker]

Yes, Romans 1:18-32 is addressing the Aphrodite, Bacchic-Dionysus, etc., pagan religions. However, it is the acts committed in worship to these false gods that Paul specifies as being against nature. Whether one commits these acts in worship or not, they are still very sinful acts.

 

[Clem is Me]

So it sounds to me like some of you think you can take Gods word and twist it around to suit yourselves.

you know that isn't the way it works. The Bible was written by imspired men of God inspired by God to write what the Holy spirit told them to write. So the Bible was written by the Father. and He made Jesus the word. He is in actuality the Word-All of the Word.

To me the Word, every bit of it is the truth! But you can beleive what you want I know what Gods word says. What it says, it says.

I really didn't know you all felt this way about the word. But I will always stand by what the Bible says . It is Truth. the only Truth!!!

I think you are mistaken.

 

[- DRA -]

Was Romans written by Jesus?

Tertius wrote the book of Romans (see Rom. 16:22). However, the teaching was the apostle Paul's, who received his teaching from the Lord (see Galatians 1:11-12). Therefore, the epistle came from the Lord.

 

[Clem is Me]

Tertius wrote the book of Romans (see Rom. 16:22). However, the teaching was the apostle Paul's, who received his teaching from the Lord (see Galatians 1:11-12). Therefore, the epistle came from the Lord.

The mormons say their teachings come from the same place.

 

[- DRA -]

You're right Jesus is the Word, not the Bible; in my opinion. The Bible is our guide book. Jesus is The Living Word.

Romans 1

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.




*No matter what the sexual acts actually were, this passage is refering to Idolatry: Idol worship and the acts that the people worshiping were participating. No homosexuals today are having sex to worship a fertility idol.

And no, Clem, Romans was not written by Jesus. The whole Bible was written by men, and re-writen and re-written and re-written.

http://www.whosoever.org/bible/

If only homosexuality associated with idolatry is wrong, then the same argument could be made for other things in Romans 1:18-32. How about murder in verse 29? Is it only wrong when associated with idolatry? How about "haters of God" in verse 30? Are only haters of God associated with idolatry wrong?

 

[- DRA -]

The mormons say their teachings come from the same place.

The apostle Paul was challenged on several occasions e.g. Acts 13:6-12; 19:13-17. The challenges didn't seem to stand in the way of the truth.

Joseph Smith's claims cannot be true as compared to the Bible. Consider Heb. 8:6-13; and 9:16-17. Jesus only established one covenant or testament. Smith's claim was that he was providing another testament of Jesus Christ. The Bible does NOT leave room for this additional testament. Therefore, Smith's claim was false.

 

[Clem is Me]

When you say "challenged", what exactly do you mean?