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What does criminality have to do with christian belief?
Regardless of whether or not one supports homosexuality, the example I gave shows that you can't argue its case using the 'I was made like that' or the 'found in nature' arguments. You need to find other arguments.
Regardless of whether or not one supports homosexuality, the example I gave shows that you can't argue its case using the 'I was made like that' or the 'found in nature' arguments. You need to find other arguments.
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Kiwimac,
My thoughts as well, you are implying that your countries laws are what you have your faith in rather than God's word or even other country's laws.
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bms,
I wrote:
First of all, I'm NOT "more interested in the wicked culture...." I was merely answering YOUR question. If the answer to YOUR question requires a look at the difference between ancient and modern cultures, why do you shy away from the answer?
In answer specifically to you claim:
The "culture of the time" -- and yes, it DOES seem strange to me that you would build an argument around "culture" when you seem so eager to deny it's relevance, AND when you don't seem, otherwise, to care much for Biblical Anthropology -- Did Most Certainly consider "raping" (yeah, That word, again) other men "Wicked." It was used as a means of humiliating strangers (who might be spies); of proving the Power one had over another.
This was certainly NOT a one-time deal for these men. Remember, they had already been judged fit for destruction (and for Other Contemptible things as well -- see Ezekiel 16:49 & 50), before the angels entered the city.
Nor can you say, that these men were "homosexual" -- i.e. those who seek loving union with another of the same sex -- any more than you can make such a claim about the majority of same-sex rapists in our prisons today (as above, STILL about dominance and humiliation). This was ALL the men of the city. And one has to account for the fact that there were children among the men, and they were certainly the product of heterosexual unions. [This goes as well for Judges 19.]
I wrote:
And you replied,
First of all, I'm NOT "more interested in the wicked culture...." I was merely answering YOUR question. If the answer to YOUR question requires a look at the difference between ancient and modern cultures, why do you shy away from the answer?
In answer specifically to you claim:
The "culture of the time" -- and yes, it DOES seem strange to me that you would build an argument around "culture" when you seem so eager to deny it's relevance, AND when you don't seem, otherwise, to care much for Biblical Anthropology -- Did Most Certainly consider "raping" (yeah, That word, again) other men "Wicked." It was used as a means of humiliating strangers (who might be spies); of proving the Power one had over another.
This was certainly NOT a one-time deal for these men. Remember, they had already been judged fit for destruction (and for Other Contemptible things as well -- see Ezekiel 16:49 & 50), before the angels entered the city.
Nor can you say, that these men were "homosexual" -- i.e. those who seek loving union with another of the same sex -- any more than you can make such a claim about the majority of same-sex rapists in our prisons today (as above, STILL about dominance and humiliation). This was ALL the men of the city. And one has to account for the fact that there were children among the men, and they were certainly the product of heterosexual unions. [This goes as well for Judges 19.]
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