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Homosexuality is a sin.
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The thing that everyone is arguing is that The Good News Bible is not a legit translation. I know it is legit because God let me know. However, just because God spoke to me,"Good News" and I received a Good News Bible does not mean you have to believe me. Even though it is a perfect miracle upon inspection, I encounter the same problems as trying to inform an unbeliever: God spoke to me, not you, so it is proof for me, and not you.
I'm going to quote some scripture here, but of course, seeing as it comes from the Good News Bible, you probably won't listen to it either:
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and will collect for themselves more and more teachers who will tell them what they are itching to hear.
This holds true for all those who don't want to listen to sound doctrine. It was predicted that people would only listen to what they wanted to hear. Apparently for some people here, translations into English of the Bible are wrong because the Bible doesn't teach what they want to hear. I'm not pointing any fingers here, but some people arguing for the case of homosexuality may be homosexual themselves. In this case the scripture is even more compelling because of their own desires, they want to change the teachings of the Bible to what suits their own lifestyle instead of changing their lifestyle to meet the teachings of the Bible.
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I'm going to quote some scripture here, but of course, seeing as it comes from the Good News Bible, you probably won't listen to it either:
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and will collect for themselves more and more teachers who will tell them what they are itching to hear.
This holds true for all those who don't want to listen to sound doctrine. It was predicted that people would only listen to what they wanted to hear. Apparently for some people here, translations into English of the Bible are wrong because the Bible doesn't teach what they want to hear. I'm not pointing any fingers here, but some people arguing for the case of homosexuality may be homosexual themselves. In this case the scripture is even more compelling because of their own desires, they want to change the teachings of the Bible to what suits their own lifestyle instead of changing their lifestyle to meet the teachings of the Bible.
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BigBadWlf
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And God let me know it is flawed.
Wow that is one arrogant statement. God speaks to you but not to anyone who dares to disagree with you or are you claiming to be the only person God deigns speak to?
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You mean how you are only hearing what you want to hear to support your personal prejudice?
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Again you are speaking of yourself
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Maybe .and some are likely black or handicapped or *gasp* women.
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Do you think that someone being a member of a minority means you can ignore or dismiss anything they say?
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So blacks dont want to change their lifestyle? what exactly is the black lifestyle?
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Phinehas2
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Dear Brieuse,
If you simply just claim the Bible doesnt, we can show you it does.
As I said before to move on you really need to present some evidence of countenance.
Yes it does in respect of same-sex sex, Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, Judges 19, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1, ad excludes the possibility in Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 7, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6-7.
If you simply just claim the Bible doesnt, we can show you it does.
As I said before to move on you really need to present some evidence of countenance.
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Phinehas2
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Dear EnemyPartyII
convincing isnt it, yet however long it gets posters still seem to claim the opposite without any real evidence.
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EnemyPartyII
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well, it seems you are utterly happy to add random passages to the list regardless of evidence about their intended meaning, so hey, what's good for the goose...
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Phinehas2
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Dear EnemypartyII
When you have added some which countenance same-sex sex I will be prepared to ones you think are new (but arent) But until posters do so we have all this evidence presented, you dont and everytime someone tries to claim the Bible doesnt pronounce same-sex sex error we will have to point out it does. If you want to convince us the Bible countenances same-sex sex, show us like we have shown you the Bible condemns same-sex sex, whether we will believe your evidence is yet to be seen.
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Phinehas2
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You see at the moment we can post that we see the Bible excluding and condemning same-sex unions as error with the passages provided.... but some posters seem to think we must accept their disbelief before we can move forward in debate... we dont.
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Phinehas2
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Yes but in what respect? David loved Jonanthan, we have shown you that David slept with women and not with Jonathan, that Jesus loved His disciples but He didnt sleep with them and David's sin was described as murder and adultery yet they all knew and lived by the OT law where Lev 18 & 20 says a man shall not lie with another man as with a woman.
So what exactly is your claim about David and Jonathan, if it is that they had sex because it says they loved the Bible must be essentially one great big orgy
We are talking about same sex sex not same sex love, I do same-sex love for my fellow Christian brothers but I dont have sex with them
Have you any Biblical evidence that countenances sames-sex sex?
So what exactly is your claim about David and Jonathan, if it is that they had sex because it says they loved the Bible must be essentially one great big orgy
We are talking about same sex sex not same sex love, I do same-sex love for my fellow Christian brothers but I dont have sex with them
Have you any Biblical evidence that countenances sames-sex sex?
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Hi everyone.
Back in August some of you might remember me asking for prayer because a family friend was accidently shot by her husband on her sons birthday. She was killed instantly.
Well our crazy cops arrested the husband last night for 2nd degree murder.
The husband has many health problems which are life threating. In fact they stopped paying for his wifes life insurance and put all their money on life insurance for him. They had even made all the arrangements for his death and burial.
Anyhow I may not be on line much to try and help them, so if I miss a post please understand.
Please pray for my friend his 18 year old daughter and 14 year old son as they go through this nightmare that has been going on since August. Also lift his mother and brother up in prayer also. Thanks.
Back in August some of you might remember me asking for prayer because a family friend was accidently shot by her husband on her sons birthday. She was killed instantly.
Well our crazy cops arrested the husband last night for 2nd degree murder.
The husband has many health problems which are life threating. In fact they stopped paying for his wifes life insurance and put all their money on life insurance for him. They had even made all the arrangements for his death and burial.
Anyhow I may not be on line much to try and help them, so if I miss a post please understand.
Please pray for my friend his 18 year old daughter and 14 year old son as they go through this nightmare that has been going on since August. Also lift his mother and brother up in prayer also. Thanks.
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Phinehas2
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Dear EnemyPartyII
I have done, they definitely didn’t have a sexual relationship. But I can also see from the whole story that they weren’t homosexual lovers as David wasn’t a homosexual as he was attracted to women and married them, so I don’t even need to read between the lines to see your comment to that effect was incorrect. So you must be saying someone who is attracted to women like David is a homosexual? It doesn’t make sense what you are saying.
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EnemyPartyII
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because no homosexual has ever been married with children *cough* Freddie Mercury*cough cough*
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I don't know whether it was sexual or not, but I do know that if the exact same story were made into a film in a modern setting without reference to the Biblical characters, it would recieve at least an "R" rating, if not an "NC-17" "for homosexual content."
Also it does not take much "reading between the lines" to say that Saul thought that their relationship was sexual (although, admittedly, it does take a little reading between the lines).
[BIBLE]1 Samuel 18:21[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]1 Samuel 20:30[/BIBLE]
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EnemyPartyII
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Fun "experiment" describe two "friends" to a self righteous Christian homophobe, describe in full detail their relationship, their feelings for each other, and their parent's disaproval of them. Ask them what they think. Once they wipe the froth from their rage quivering lip, tell them the friends are Jonathon and David.
sure, it takes some effort, and isn't easy to pull off, but I've done it three times, and the look on the face is priceless.
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