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Homosexuality is a sin.

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Leviticus 18:2222 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-109 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:25-2725 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
 

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So, what was the historical context of some of the verses used to condemn homosexuality? There are generally six verses in the Bible that are referred to. These are Genesis 19:1-25, known as the story of Sodom and Gamorrah; Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:24-27, I Corinthians 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10. Some literalist will also throw in the idea that Jesus called “one man and one woman” into the institution of marriage in order to condemn same-sex relationships. The fact is, the institution of marriage in 33 A.D and 2002 are hardly comparable. Marriages were arranged. Marriages did not come with the modern benefits of healthcare and tax relief. It was often a way to pay debt and to transfer property, which women were still considered. And Jesus’ sanctity of marriage did not automatically condemn all other types of relationships. In fact, he went on to state that some people weren’t meant for marriage. The people that Jesus was addressing would have never thought about marriage between two men or two women, however the idea of polygamy was very familiar to them – in fact many marriage contracts of the time had to spell out that the man would be faithful to his wife. Marriage has changed over the years. And we will see whether civil marriage or holy marriage will someday be available to same-sex partners. Some denominations like the United Church of Christ already have, and it is likely that the more churches that create commitment ceremonies for gays and lesbians, the more likely the legal system in our country will someday recognize them too.

Let’s first look at the historic context of Sodom and Gamorrah. The story goes that God sends two angels to Sodom, where Abraham’s nephew, Lot, persuades them to stay in his home. Genesis 19 records that “all of the people from every quarter” surrounded Lot’s house demanding the release of the visitors so “we might know them” or in other words have sexual relations with them. Horrified by this gross violation of ancient hospitality rules, Lot refuses to give them over to the angry crowd. Lot flees Sodom with his family and the city it is destroyed by fire from heaven. Literalist and conservatives have contended that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. However, there are at least three reasons why this story is not about homosexuality or its condemnation.

First, the city of Sodom was slated for destruction long before this homosexual incident. Ezekial 16:48-50 states it clearly, “As I live, says the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”

Second, all of Sodom’s people participated in the assault on Lot’s house, and in no culture has more than a small minority of the population been homosexual.

And finally, and most importantly, no other passages in the Bible that refer to the destruction of Sodom ever raise the issue of homosexuality. If indeed the story of Sodom and Gamorrah is about sexual morality, then Lot’s gesture to allow his daughters to be raped by the crowd instead of the visitors should put into question its modern moral value.

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 read: “You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.” and “If a man lies with a man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.” Taken out of historic context, these verses seem to clearly condemn sexual relationships between two people of the same sex, or at least male homosexuality. However, very few scriptural experts will contend that these passages apply to modern day homosexual relationships. American Baptist religious professor Tony Campolo, puts it this way, “You have to understand that passages from Leviticus are not a good case for condemning homosexuality. The Old Testament is not a good case because the Old Testament is divided into two kinds of law: moral law and what we call purity codes. Purity codes are what we call kosher laws. And if you read the Old Testament you will find there’s a whole host of kosher laws, of what you can eat, what you can’t eat, what kind of clothes you can wear. All of these are spelled out. There is no question that when Christ came and when Peter preached, that purity codes were put aside. We no longer live kosher lives like our orthodox Jewish friends do. And those who are scholars, even the most conservative of scholars, will argue that the statements in Leviticus that have to do with homosexuality fall into the purity code category. As a matter of fact it comes right after the passage that says that to touch the skin of a dead pig is an abomination, which puts the whole Super Bowl into moral question.”

What about I Corinthians? It reads: “Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.” The problem with this verse is that “sexual pervert” is translated in some texts as homosexual. But the reality is that we don’t know what the Greek words “malakos” and “arsenokoitai” really mean. They are translated as effeminate, soft, sexual pervert, and even homosexual. But no one really knows. Interestingly enough, up to the fourteenth century, arsenokoitai was translated as masturbation. Scholars have concluded that they just don’t know what the words are referring to for sure. Other words for homosexual did exist in Greek at that time, but were not used in these verses. Why? Even though they claim to know, don’t assume a televangelist knows what these verses mean when well-studied experts can’t be sure.

That leads us to I Timothy 1:10. It reads: “Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.” This verse only refers to homosexuality if the word sodomite is intended to mean homosexual, which we rebuffed in our discussion of Sodom and Gamorrah. Walter Wink, Professor of Biblical Interpretation at Auburn Theological Seminary, argues that this reference in I Timothy actually refers to a form of male prostitution in which boys were castrated in order to maintain their feminine-like, child-like characteristics for sexual purposes of exploitation. That in no way falls into the concept of two consenting adults entering into a commitment with each other.

That brings us to Romans 1:24-27. “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.”

This is the most contentious reference to homosexuality and the only direct reference to lesbianism in the Bible. I admit that two of the theologians I have quoted today, Tony Campolo and Walter Wink, who find no other Biblical verse as an unqualified condemnation of homosexuality, both agree that this verse does without a doubt condemn same-sex sexual behavior. However, Peggy Campolo, Tony’s wife, believes that Paul is not talking about same-sex relationships, but about sexual orgies as part of religious worship.

Ms. Campolo states, “I’d like you to note that Paul wrote Romans in the city of Corinth where the prevailing religion was the worship of Aphrodite. Aphrodite was a hermaphrodite with both male and female sexual organs and in the worship of Aphrodite people played the role of the opposite gender and engaged in sexual orgies with same sex prostitutes who were available in the temple. It was against these orgies that Paul wrote in the first chapter of Romans. There is an obvious connection between idolatry and homosexual practices in Romans one, and what Paul says here cannot be applied to the kind of relationships created by loving homosexual partners. I don’t think it’s a proper use of the Bible.”

Although Walter Wink believes that Paul was condemning same-sex relationships, he also believes that Paul makes this assertion because of his limited understanding of homosexuality. No doubt Paul was unaware of the distinction between sexual orientation, over which one has very little choice, and sexual behavior, over which one does.

Let me stop here for a moment. This very assumption used to cause great controversy among conservatives who would assert that being homosexual is a choice. However, over the past few years, with scientific, psychological and sociological studies, most conservatives now will accept that same-sex attraction is not chosen or easily changed. Even groups like Exodus International, whose purpose is to help homosexual people live heterosexual lives, admits that most of their ex-gay members struggle with same-sex attractions for the rest of their lives.

Paul seemed to assume that those whom he condemned in Corinth were heterosexuals who were acting contrary to nature, by giving up their regular sexual orientation for that which was foreign to them. Paul knew nothing of the modern psychosexual understanding of homosexuals as persons whose orientation is fixed early in life, or perhaps even genetically. For such persons, having heterosexual relations would be acting contrary to nature.

In other words, Paul really thought that those whose behavior he condemned were “straight,” and that they were behaving in ways that were unnatural to them. Paul believed everyone was straight. The concept of loving homosexual relationships was not available in his world. It was something he could not envision.

 
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Any more threads you want to start? I have the copy/paste function handy. :)

This coming from the same person that says they never use the NIV (see 1 Cor 6:9), and you keep quoting the same verses all over this forum.
 
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Did they know about Homosexuality in Biblical times? Some Homosexuals would have you to believe that NO, they did not. Which is a falsity, and is propaganda, which leads a lot of people into a wrong understanding. I present, the C/P wars.


In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.
When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.
 
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Did they know about Homosexuality in Biblical times? Some Homosexuals would have you to believe that NO, they did not. Which is a falsity, and is propaganda, which leads a lot of people into a wrong understanding. I present, the C/P wars.


In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.
When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.
Prostitution, no Biblical examples of same sex, loving relationships. Do you read threads here, I repeat myself quite often, and it seems in vain. A same sex orientation was not recognized till the 19th Century.

There was still a word for homosexual, and it was homophilia, and it was never used by any of the writers...in fact, no mention of any homosexual word in the Hebrew and Greek, just your poor, biased translations you keep quoting masked in a sea of dark glock.
 
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Hitler, Nazi founder, was similarly a sex pervert. As Chancellor, he carried on sexually with his 15-year-old niece, who killed herself rather than continue giving in to his bizarre and beastly sexual fetishes. As a young Bohemian streetwalker and "starving artist," the man who later would rule most of Europe sold his body to gay men. Hitler is noted as a fanatical fan of Wagnerian operas. Less known is the fact that before he rose to become the Fuhrer, in the 1920s, Hitler sexually abused Richard Wagner's grandson, Wieland Wagner (Time magazine, August 15, 1994, p. 56).
Hitler, of course, was catapulted to power largely by the Brown Shirts (SA), a fascist youth organization led by and composed primarily of "butch" type homosexual militarists. The head of the thuggish Brown Shirts was Ernst Roehm, who was a notorious molester of young boys. Roehm was executed by Hitler after his sexual excesses became widely known.
As Scott Lively writes in his revealing book, The Pink Swastika-Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, "Homosexuals are the perfect foot soldiers for the devil."
Interestingly, Hitler and his henchmen intensely disliked feminine gay men, even sent many to concentration camps. The Nazis preferred masculine, butch, soldier-types-like Field Marshall Reinhard Heydrich-willing to take orders. On the other hand, in Soviet Russia, the Communists and Bolsheviks favored gay Jews with female traits and affectations.
 
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Prostitution, no Biblical examples of same sex, loving relationships. Do you read threads here, I repeat myself quite often, and it seems in vain. A same sex orientation was not recognized till the 19th Century.

There was still a word for homosexual, and it was homophilia, and it was never used by any of the writers...in fact, no mention of any homosexual word in the Hebrew and Greek, just your poor, biased translations you keep quoting masked in a sea of dark glock.
I am sorry, but your view that homosexuality didn't exist until the 19th century is in complete contradictions with History. I don't care what you "think" the Bible says, you can't make this claim. It's just not true, and I will continue to prove that Homosexuality has been around as long as man can remember, and you can choose to ignore that FACT, or not. But I will not let others be bought into this, because it's not true, at all.
 
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I am sorry, but your view that homosexuality didn't exist until the 19th century is in complete contradictions with History. I don't care what you "think" the Bible says, you can't make this claim. It's just not true, and I will continue to prove that Homosexuality has been around as long as man can remember, and you can choose to ignore that FACT, or not. But I will not let others be bought into this, because it's not true, at all.
I didn't say it wasn't around, it just went unnoticed.


The fact that you hang your hat in this forum much of the time, proves you see this as the biggest sin or a much greater sin than others or something...

Believe what you want, it doesn't change the way God sees it.
 
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I didn't say it wasn't around, it just went unnoticed.


The fact that you hang your hat in this forum much of the time, proves you see this as the biggest sin or a much greater sin than others or something...

Believe what you want, it doesn't change the way God sees it.

Again, you are wrong. You have NO proof that Homosexuality just went unnoticed. Infact, it is silly to think that it would go unnoticed until the 19th century? Come on, you just want to believe that. You think that for 1000s of years, people looked a homosexuality as being ok, but only receintly they decided it wasn't. That makes no sense at all. You only say that, and believe it because you want to. You have no Biblical proof. No historical proof. And no scientific proof. All you have is biased opinion, and that just don't hold water my friend.
 
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Again, you are wrong. You have NO proof that Homosexuality just went unnoticed. Infact, it is silly to think that it would go unnoticed until the 19th century? Come on, you just want to believe that. You think that for 1000s of years, people looked a homosexuality as being ok, but only receintly they decided it wasn't. That makes no sense at all. You only say that, and believe it because you want to. You have no Biblical proof. No historical proof. And no scientific proof. All you have is biased opinion, and that just don't hold water my friend.
It doesn't matter if even the early church condemned it, the Early Church was wrong about a lot of things, including the clear mistreatment of women, and slavery.

Again, what is your intent in pointing to this, even if it was a sin? why do you spend so much time in this forum?


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Pray for me, off to the gay club to be with my friends :-\
 
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It doesn't matter if even the early church condemned it, the Early Church was wrong about a lot of things, including the clear mistreatment of women, and slavery.

Again, what is your intent in pointing to this, even if it was a sin? why do you spend so much time in this forum?


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Pray for me, off to the gay club to be with my friends :-\

Being a women was not cosidered a sin, nor was being a slave. Therefor, you can not compare your sins to things that are not sins. And you are bringing condemnation on the early church fathers, and even on Jesus Christ, by saying he was wrong, and you are right. Not to mention now you have shown that what you have said about Homosexuality not being addressed by anyone until recently was not true, as you KNOW the early church fathers knew about it, and addressed it as well. What do you do at that club? Lust? Adultery? Over excessive alcohol even maybe? Look at the lifestyle you portray to others. You are an ambassador for Christ. Others look at you, and say, that's what Christ was like? Do you really think you are given them a good view of him? Do you think Christ will say everything you are doing in public is ok with him? Of course not. Leave sin alone, and leave those homosexuals alone. Most of the people in that bar are not even Christians! You've got a lot of thinking to do, if you want to be a good representation of Christ Jesus. That's what we are called to do, make disciples of all nations. No one is going to come to Christ is they think you are nothing but a hypocrite. You need to repent. Stop practicing sin. It's ok to be tempted, that's ok. You'r giving into sin. You practicing your homosexuality is no different than me practicing lust for wemon on the internet. Looking a Porn on the internet is the same thing. I was born with that lust. So where you. BUT YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE IN TO SATAN. You are called to RESIST the devil, and he will flee from you. You know it's wrong, what you are doing. You know it is. I have prayed for you, many times, and I will continue to. This is where God has called me to be, I make my way around this site. I have been on here for awhile, but once God calls me to something else, I will be gone, and so you will have resisted another one of God's callings to remove this sin from your life. The first thing you need to do is STOP. Addmitt to yourself, you know it's wrong. It's like a drug, I know it is, I used to be a drug addict, and know what that does. It's the same thing, you are addicted. It's the same as lust for porn. It's a sin, and it's dangerous, and addictive. It only HURTS your spiritual growth. You got to stop man.
 
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I didn't say it wasn't around, it just went unnoticed.


The fact that you hang your hat in this forum much of the time, proves you see this as the biggest sin or a much greater sin than others or something...

Believe what you want, it doesn't change the way God sees it.

So me being here much of the time proves I believe homosexuality is a much greater sin than others or something? :confused:

Interesting, and please don't say not to take it personal, because a statement like that isn't about debating the subject being debated in this forum, now is it? Sounds like attacking the person and not the subject, but I could be wrong because it can be so hard to totally be sure of a persons meaning when it is typed.

So if you could please clear this up for me I would really appreciated it. Thanks!
 
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So me being here much of the time proves I believe homosexuality is a much greater sin than others or something? :confused:

Interesting, and please don't say not to take it personal, because a statement like that isn't about debating the subject being debated in this forum, now is it? Sounds like attacking the person and not the subject, but I could be wrong because it can be so hard to totally be sure of a persons meaning when it is typed.

So if you could please clear this up for me I would really appreciated it. Thanks!
Why do you always turn this into a personal attack?, I have never said that about you, and you hang out in other forums. You were here before I was, lol!!! :hug:

I love you, Kathy (my sister in Christ) ;)
 
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Why do you always turn this into a personal attack?, I have never said that about you, and you hang out in other forums. You were here before I was, lol!!! :hug:

I love you, Kathy (my sister in Christ) ;)

So what is the difference in me being here and the person you posted this question to? What I am trying to point out to you is statements like you made to them are, in my opinion, an attack on all those in these forums who don't agree with you.

I'm trying to point out that people here are mostly trying to stand up for what they believe is the truth of the Word. Why should it be made into anything more than that?:scratch:

I have mentioned how I have been misunderstood when some have read my typed word, and made it into something that was not meant. I have seen alot of post that at first glance really irritated me, but when I waited and read more post of this person, I realized I had totally misunderstood. Even some of your post come across more belittling, arrogant, etc., then just someone trying to get their view across. Should I start coming back at you like it SEEMS you are going after the person, and not the subject?

Just trying to point out some things that I believe are personal attacks, which might not be, since we don't always understand the feelings behind the typed word.

We are to be Christ-like, and Holy because He is Holy, right? So since the only time he showed anger was when He cleared out the money changers in the temple. Well.....................

My signature has a scripture which I have to remind myself of, sometimes often. We can be angry, but we aren't suppose to sin. I put it there not only to remind myself, but in hopes it would remind others also. There are way to many post, again in my opinion, that aren't the way the Lord would want us to be posting. So maybe before we post we should take a deep breath, say a prayer, and then let the Holy Spirit speak through us. This isn't just to you and me Dave, but all of us, who are here to try and stand for the truth of the Lord.

God Bless!!:hug:

 
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So what is the difference in me being here and the person you posted this question to? What I am trying to point out to you is statements like you made to them are, in my opinion, an attack on all those in these forums who don't agree with you.

I'm trying to point out that people here are mostly trying to stand up for what they believe is the truth of the Word. Why should it be made into anything more than that?:scratch:

I have mentioned how I have been misunderstood when some have read my typed word, and made it into something that was not meant. I have seen alot of post that at first glance really irritated me, but when I waited and read more post of this person, I realized I had totally misunderstood. Even some of your post come across more belittling, arrogant, etc., then just someone trying to get their view across. Should I start coming back at you like it SEEMS you are going after the person, and not the subject?

Just trying to point out some things that I believe are personal attacks, which might not be, since we don't always understand the feelings behind the typed word.

We are to be Christ-like, and Holy because He is Holy, right? So since the only time he showed anger was when He cleared out the money changers in the temple. Well.....................

My signature has a scripture which I have to remind myself of, sometimes often. We can be angry, but we aren't suppose to sin. I put it there not only to remind myself, but in hopes it would remind others also. There are way to many post, again in my opinion, that aren't the way the Lord would want us to be posting. So maybe before we post we should take a deep breath, say a prayer, and then let the Holy Spirit speak through us. This isn't just to you and me Dave, but all of us, who are here to try and stand for the truth of the Lord.


God Bless!!:hug:

I DO lose my patience, I'm not perfect...that is for sure. I'll try to keep that verse in mind, quite often. :)
Even last night, I was sort of in a self-seeking mood to do things, but God put it on my heart to go over to this homeless woman.
You never know how God will use you, and she was so greatful to have someone to talk to. She was near tears and so lonely...I did give her money, but I realized what she really needed was just attention, and she said that was more important than her having a roof over her head for the time being. I told her about Jesus, but she said that she already does know Him, and I informed her that He has a much better and bigger plan for her life, and that was what she needed to here...those EXACT encouraging words.

*Btw,I have a history w/the person, in said post, that is why. 10 messages the other day and --- well, nevermind...
 
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I DO lose my patience, I'm not perfect...that is for sure. I'll try to keep that verse in mind, quite often. :)
Even last night, I was sort of in a self-seeking mood to do things, but God put it on my heart to go over to this homeless woman.
You never know how God will use you, and she was so greatful to have someone to talk to. She was near tears and so lonely...I did give her money, but I realized what she really needed was just attention, and she said that was more important than her having a roof over her head for the time being. I told her about Jesus, but she said that she already does know Him, and I informed her that He has a much better and bigger plan for her life, and that was what she needed to here...those EXACT encouraging words.

*Btw,I have a history w/the person, in said post, that is why. 10 messages the other day and --- well, nevermind...


A history.................So this means that if you have a history then you aren't to speak and show Christ in what you do?:confused:

I believe the Bible tells us that if we go into a house/town/or to a person, and they don't believe the gospel we are to shake the dust off and move on. Sometimes wonder if I shouldn't be moving on myself, but leaving that up to the Lord to tell me if and when I should move on.

Maybe some here shouldn't post to eachother so that the carnal flesh response doesn't override the Christ response?

Since there are those who read and don't post, like non-Christians, weak Christians, etc., well maybe we should pretend we are speaking to them. You know sharing the Lord, and then maybe they won't see things that could confuse and/or weaken even more.

If it wasn't for the Lord and the Comforter He sent, well reading some of the threads would make me not want to be apart of anything that is called Christian.

Just a thought.
 
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Again, you are wrong. You have NO proof that Homosexuality just went unnoticed. Infact, it is silly to think that it would go unnoticed until the 19th century? Come on, you just want to believe that. You think that for 1000s of years, people looked a homosexuality as being ok, but only receintly they decided it wasn't. That makes no sense at all. You only say that, and believe it because you want to. You have no Biblical proof. No historical proof. And no scientific proof. All you have is biased opinion, and that just don't hold water my friend.
According to something I read the other day, homosexuality was first criminilised May 14, 390.
 
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Leviticus 18:2222 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-109 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:25-2725 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
So what?

If one searches thought the bible enough and cherry picks verses prejudice and hate against any minority or individual can but vindicated. But doing so flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus.
 
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