Homosexuality is 100% Genetic

[HolySpirit5]

and it's also 100% curable.

The genes that cause homosexuality in sheep have been isolated. What the genes do is expose the baby to certain hormones in the womb that cause the brain to develop neural structures in one gender than normally develop in the other gender. Those neural structures cause the babies to end up homosexual. This causes 8% of sheep to end up homosexual.

Researchers can simply manually change the hormones themselves and influence the development of the brain so that it develops normal neural structures for the gender that the sheep is. In experiments, researchers could do this and cure homosexuality by bringing the rate of homsexuality present in the incoming generation of sheep to 0%. There is no reason that this can't be done in humans either.


However, is this messing with God's plan since the DNA is what programs us to develop the way we do?
Are we playing God by "curing" homosexuality when God programmed that individual to be homosexual?

source: http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/p2gaysheepexperiments

By the way, this also means that homosexuality is literally incurable in adults because it's caused by the way the brain is built. The only way to "cure" it is to change the brain as it is building itself from God's instructions in the DNA and prevent it from ever being built that way in the first place with hormone treatments in the womb. If you really wanted to cure it in adults, you'd have to cut open the head, remove that part of the brain and replace the part of the brain you removed with the parts of a brain from a straight person. Sadly, no amount of prayer or psychotherapy can change that.

 

[SwordOfGod]

Ummm... I'm all for what your saying, but could you please find a scientific article or something that supports it? Forgive me, but an anti-animal cruelty site may not be the most reliable source for this information.

 

[HolySpirit5]

Ummm... I'm all for what your saying, but could you please find a scientific article or something that supports it? Forgive me, but an anti-animal cruelty site may not be the most reliable source for this information.

http://www.bongonews.com/layout1.php?event=3005&topic
http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=531
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/sh...1/should-scientists-be-turning-gay-sheep.html

 

[ReformedChapin]

Please provide peer reviewed articles not just insane conclusions. Thanks. None of those articles can be critiqued considering they don't show how the conclusions were reached.

 

[BAFRIEND]

none of these sources seem credible. One of your sources qoutes a talking sheep from the movie Babe III ?

the other source is from blogs and one from a publication from PETA ?

That being said, there is a big difference between an instinctual animal and rational being.

I have not read anywhere on this forum or anywhere else, including the scientific community, anything that proves or does not fall flat on its face, that homosexuality is genetic.

Now, how did these reearchers come to the conclusion these rams were homo ? For the most part, this behavior in instinctual animals is a form of dominance.

Where is the meat, here ?

 

[HolySpirit5]

That being said, there is a big difference between an instinctual animal and rational being.

There's a difference?

Study logic circuits in computer chips. The human brain is just lots of those with neural pathways as the circuits.

 

[LANTERN]

There's a difference?

Study logic circuits in computer chips. The human brain is just lots of those with neural pathways as the circuits.

?

 

[HolySpirit5]

Think so ?

Take an upper level division course in philosophy of mind. come back here and tell me that it is as cut and dry as you say. The mind is metaphysical and there is no smoking gun about the mind being a physicalism.

Philosophy isn't a science. I prefer psychology. What's one thing humans can do that animals can't do at a lower level?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Not credible sources. An article from MSN or some widely used source would serve far more credible. I can provide unknown sources proving otherwise too. Doesn't make them right.

In any case, if it can be "cured" (fancy term for "convicted" in this case), then so can every other sin. The only sin that really comes from mental disorder is murder is some cases.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Philosophy isn't a science. I prefer psychology. What's one thing humans can do that animals can't do at a lower level?

Psychology is what is known as soft science along with sociology and a couple other disciplines. i think you are confusing psychology and the field of psychiatry.

Philosophy is not science by definition because tjhe definition of philosophy is rational thought. Science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases and establish a few unprovable theories that are debatable.

Science is very much finding creation sitting in the passenger seat and discerning the engine and making assumptions how the engine got their and where the car has been and where it is going without a thread of evidence.

As far as your comments on the mind being like a computer... I would state that for the most part, it is against what most Christians believe against.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Psychology is what is known as soft science along with sociology and a couple other disciplines. i think you are confusing psychology and the field of psychiatry.

Philosophy is not science by definition because tjhe definition of philosophy is rational thought. Science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases and establish a few unprovable theories that are debatable.

Science is very much finding creation sitting in the passenger seat and discerning the engine and making assumptions how the engine got their and where the car has been and where it is going without a thread of evidence.

As far as your comments on the mind being like a computer... I would state that for the most part, it is against what most Christians believe against.

I'm going to disagree. Science has accomplished some amazing things including the advancement of techology and exploring the known universe. With science we get to know Gods creation much better. I think what you are having a problem with which is what most real christians do...naturalism.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

none of these sources seem credible. One of your sources qoutes a talking sheep from the movie Babe III ?

the other source is from blogs and one from a publication from PETA ?

That being said, there is a big difference between an instinctual animal and rational being.

I have not read anywhere on this forum or anywhere else, including the scientific community, anything that proves or does not fall flat on its face, that homosexuality is genetic.

Now, how did these reearchers come to the conclusion these rams were homo ? For the most part, this behavior in instinctual animals is a form of dominance.

Where is the meat, here ?

was that Pun intended?

 

[BAFRIEND]

was that Pun intended?

yes.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Psychology is what is known as soft science along with sociology and a couple other disciplines. i think you are confusing psychology and the field of psychiatry.

Philosophy is not science by definition because tjhe definition of philosophy is rational thought. Science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases and establish a few unprovable theories that are debatable.

Science is very much finding creation sitting in the passenger seat and discerning the engine and making assumptions how the engine got their and where the car has been and where it is going without a thread of evidence.

As far as your comments on the mind being like a computer... I would state that for the most part, it is against what most Christians believe against.

This is rich..... "science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases"...and then we're suppose to take your posts seriously? Where's the evidence that the earth is round? I suppose you don't believe that because you haven't taken a trip around the planet to see it for yourself? What about the earth going around the sun? Need the evidence to believe that? What about the fact that average life span is now 75+ years when less than a hundred years ago it was 50. Why do you hate science so much and refuse to give it any credit? Why do you just put your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist? Wonder what you would do should u or a loved one come down with a disease...would you even consider trying to cure it or would that just be too satanic for you? No doubt you don't believe in dinasours either right? All those fossils in the Museum of Natural History just a big joke huh? I love reading your posts. They take me back to the 14th century.

 

[gwdboi]

and it's also 100% curable.

The genes that cause homosexuality in sheep have been isolated. What the genes do is expose the baby to certain hormones in the womb that cause the brain to develop neural structures in one gender than normally develop in the other gender. Those neural structures cause the babies to end up homosexual. This causes 8% of sheep to end up homosexual.

Researchers can simply manually change the hormones themselves and influence the development of the brain so that it develops normal neural structures for the gender that the sheep is. In experiments, researchers could do this and cure homosexuality by bringing the rate of homsexuality present in the incoming generation of sheep to 0%. There is no reason that this can't be done in humans either.


However, is this messing with God's plan since the DNA is what programs us to develop the way we do?
Are we playing God by "curing" homosexuality when God programmed that individual to be homosexual?

source: http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/p2gaysheepexperiments

By the way, this also means that homosexuality is literally incurable in adults because it's caused by the way the brain is built. The only way to "cure" it is to change the brain as it is building itself from God's instructions in the DNA and prevent it from ever being built that way in the first place with hormone treatments in the womb. If you really wanted to cure it in adults, you'd have to cut open the head, remove that part of the brain and replace the part of the brain you removed with the parts of a brain from a straight person. Sadly, no amount of prayer or psychotherapy can change that.

This is where I must disagree. Humans and sheep are quite different physiologically etc. Homosexuality in humans is not strictly genetic yet like every other aspect of one's psychology it is partially nature and partially nurture. One may be predisposed to be homosexual yet if their experiences do not confirm this predisposition then the person may very well end up heterosexual. Just because something works for sheep doesn't mean it will work for humans. Researchers have not found differentiating hormone levels in the womb of mothers who produced gay males.

 

[gwdboi]

Psychology is what is known as soft science along with sociology and a couple other disciplines. i think you are confusing psychology and the field of psychiatry.

Philosophy is not science by definition because the definition of philosophy is rational thought. Science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases and establish a few unprovable theories that are debatable.

Science is very much finding creation sitting in the passenger seat and discerning the engine and making assumptions how the engine got their and where the car has been and where it is going without a thread of evidence.

As far as your comments on the mind being like a computer... I would state that for the most part, it is against what most Christians believe against.

First off, philosophy is not rational thought, that's logic. As a matter of fact, much of philosophy is irrational when truly contemplated (philosophy is actually the love or study of wisdom). As far as your view on science: science is a tool that we use to observe the world around us and draw conclusions about it. Science has done much more than you think it has... you're using a computer aren't you?

As for your views on psychology: psychology is a tool we use to get general pictures of human nature and to view tendencies in human nature etc. I don't see what would make psychology any different from any other science considering we can do experiments etc just like any other science and draw accurate conclusions.

 

[RMDY]

This is rich..... "science has never done anything more than cure a few diseases"...and then we're suppose to take your posts seriously? Where's the evidence that the earth is round? I suppose you don't believe that because you haven't taken a trip around the planet to see it for yourself? What about the earth going around the sun? Need the evidence to believe that? What about the fact that average life span is now 75+ years when less than a hundred years ago it was 50. Why do you hate science so much and refuse to give it any credit? Why do you just put your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist? Wonder what you would do should u or a loved one come down with a disease...would you even consider trying to cure it or would that just be too satanic for you? No doubt you don't believe in dinasours either right? All those fossils in the Museum of Natural History just a big joke huh? I love reading your posts. They take me back to the 14th century.

Take me with you to the 14th century!
We can see castles together!