Homosexuality - Here I stand.

[one11]

I just want to make sure I understand this. Your husband was divorcing his terminally ill wife to marry you? Is that correct?

Oh no Swansong. I was just going to fix that so my post made more sense. Sorry, I'm ill right now too.

No, she was his ex wife at the time we fell in love and met each other. But, technically or biblically, according to the scriptures he should have been reconciled to her or wait for widowhood to get remarried.

However, when we met, there was no way he was going to be reconciled to his first wife. That relationship was over because she wouldn't stop drinking or doing drugs. She died of alcoholic liver disease. When I met her in the hospital she was yellow; she was very jaundiced and wasting away. I met her and kept her cordially in the family because of my husband's daughter who I thought shouldn't be without her Mom even though my husband had legal custody of his daughter because his ex wife was deemed an unfit mother by the courts and my husband had full and sole custody of his daughter. The birth Mom was only allowed 2 to 4 hours a month with her daughter under supervision.

I was just pointing out a biblical technicality if one read that scripture alone, meaning my husband should have been reconciled to his wife biblically or wait to be a widow to get remarried, if that makes sense.

Hope this made more sense, Swansong.

 

[ChristianSoldier85]

Again there is considerable debate about whether or not being gay is a sin at all. The condemnations in teh bible rely on questionable translations that don't hold up to examination and seem to be accepted solely because of political reasons and not for any linguistic reasons

Well we have a dilemna, fornication, promiscuity, and adultery are sins right? Speaking speculatively, if homosexuality were ever to be widely accepted, well a marriage would have to be arranged between gay couples. If straight fornicators and adulterers are held accountable, are homosexuals to be an exception? Are they to be given a free pass? Think about it. Alot of homosexuals live promiscious lifestyles like alot of heterosexuals do. Fornication is fornication and adultery is adultery. Just my .02 cents worth.

 

[SughaNSpice]

Well we have a dilemna, fornication, promiscuity, and adultery are sins right? Speaking speculatively, if homosexuality were ever to be widely accepted, well a marriage would have to be arranged between gay couples. If straight fornicators and adulterers are held accountable, are homosexuals to be an exception? Are they to be given a free pass? Think about it. Alot of homosexuals live promiscious lifestyles like alot of heterosexuals do. Fornication is fornication and adultery is adultery. Just my .02 cents worth.

The studies that have been presented in these forums show gays and lesbians are significantly less likely to be promiscuous than heterosexuals.


None of this changes the fact that there is considerable and very legitimate debate about whether or not being gay is a sin at all. The condemnations in the bible rely on questionable translations that don't hold up to examination and seem to be accepted solely because of political reasons and not for any linguistic reasons

 

[SughaNSpice]

Red Herring.

No it is a simple statement that the same conviction and biblical justification some Christians use to condemn gays and lesbians is no different from the conviction and biblical justification some Christians have used and some continue to use to condemn people of color.

 

[Inviolable]

No it is a simple statement that the same conviction and biblical justification some Christians use to condemn gays and lesbians is no different from the conviction and biblical justification some Christians have used and some continue to use to condemn people of color.

Maybe you can point out the text used? So we can see that it is the same.

 

[SughaNSpice]

That wasn't really the point.
The translations were being held in question and so the only thing that really needed to be shown was "homosexual offenders"
To show what words were being used.
But you're right, I should've left the book and verse number at the least.

And where is the evidence that the translation “homosexual offender” is correct. A couple months ago in the Ethics & Morality section a thread was started asking for actual evidence. Hundreds of posts later there were plenty of claims about how it “obviously” means just that, but not one bit of evidence was posited supporting that translation.

 

[Inviolable]

And where is the evidence that the translation “homosexual offender” is correct. A couple months ago in the Ethics & Morality section a thread was started asking for actual evidence. Hundreds of posts later there were plenty of claims about how it “obviously” means just that, but not one bit of evidence was posited supporting that translation.

I posted the evidence in the post, that you seem to have overlooked.

It's a translation done by "hundreds" of scholars on a worldwide scale and from "several" different denominations.

Proof enough that at least those hundreds of people educated to do one thing knows more then you or me.

 

[david_x]

People were sure (and many still are) and the church supported the “fact” that the bible condones racial equality

It does support racial equality...

 

[LightHorseman]

Well we have a dilemna, fornication, promiscuity, and adultery are sins right? Speaking speculatively, if homosexuality were ever to be widely accepted, well a marriage would have to be arranged between gay couples. If straight fornicators and adulterers are held accountable, are homosexuals to be an exception? Are they to be given a free pass? Think about it. Alot of homosexuals live promiscious lifestyles like alot of heterosexuals do. Fornication is fornication and adultery is adultery. Just my .02 cents worth.

Sure, promiscuity is a bad thing for hetero, homo, or bisexuals... but if homosexuals were given the recognition they deserve, and were allowed to get married, then first of all they wouldn't necesarily HAVE to "fornicate" just to have a relationship, and second, possibly their promiscuity rates would go down. Either way, why we should stop people from doing something they want to do that doesn't harm anyone else is beyond me. If gays want to marry, let them. None of anyone else's business really.

 

[LightHorseman]

It does support racial equality...

Except for all the genocide bits.

 

[david_x]

Except for all the genocide bits.

... among Christens.

 

[LightHorseman]

... among Christens.

It only promotes racial diversity among Christians? Is that what you're saying?

 

[david_x]

It only promotes racial diversity among Christians? Is that what you're saying?

I'm not saying it promotes anything.

 

[LightHorseman]

I'm not saying it promotes anything.

So what ARE you saying?

 

[Thaeoles]

Except for all the genocide bits.

It was not genocide, but killing off large pagan groups that did harm to God's people or were not repentant.

 

[Polycarp1]

It was not genocide, but killing off large pagan groups that did harm to God's people or were not repentant.

Look up the definition of 'genocide' and get back to us.

 

[LightHorseman]

It was not genocide, but killing off large pagan groups that did harm to God's people or were not repentant.

How is the killing of large groups of people NOT a genocide?

(Taking all bets, is he going to go for a special pleading, a word redefinition, or something more direct, like an ad hom or a well poisoning?)

 

[Thaeoles]

How is the killing of large groups of people NOT a genocide?

(Taking all bets, is he going to go for a special pleading, a word redefinition, or something more direct, like an ad hom or a well poisoning?)

I guess it would be genocide my definition, but it does not terminate the fact that they were against God's people and unrepentant. Race has nothing to do with it.

 

[david_x]

So what ARE you saying?

That He doesn't support genocide by Christens, like I posted.

 

[LightHorseman]

I guess it would be genocide my definition, but it does not terminate the fact that they were against God's people and unrepentant. Race has nothing to do with it.

And... HE GOES FOR SPECIAL PLEADING! WooHoo! Thats right, its only genocide when it happens to God's people, exterminating masses of humans, men women and children, who are against God's people, unrepentent, or, heck, were just born in the wrong place at the wrong time is perfectly OK! Well he's gotta be happy with that effort, the crowd is still going wild... back to you for the post game show, Ritchie.