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Kgreg said:spinto said:There is only one God, and homosexual sex is outside of His will.
Yet it exists and God doesnt seem terribly upset about it.
true.Not true.
Marriage and the definition of marriage has changed from what it meant in biblical times and it will continue to do so.Humanity is fallen from the state of perfection that God created. Perversion of that perfection exists, and homosexuality is one of those perversions. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not standing here screaming "Pervert" at you.
Well yes you are doing just that.
Perversion is just a deviation from what something should have been. The perfect will of God is for a man and a woman to unite as one in marriage, and to have sex only in that union,
and yet the bible so clearly shows that concubines Levirate marriages, rape, polygamy are all part of Gods will.
and to have children from that sex, if it is His will that they have children. The existence of a perversion doesn't nulify God's instructions for the behavior of His creation. Homosexual sex is not permitted behavior
neither are many common place things .yet no one seems to have trouble about them
You certainly have the right to call your relationship whatever you want. Two men, nor two women will ever eqate the union of a man and a woman.
an opinion not a fact.
The same has been said about marriages of people of different skin color, that such a union would never equal the union of a white man to a white woman.
As I said, call your relatioship whatever you want..
thus it is a marriage whether you like it or not.
This is un-Biblical, but then you aren't a Christian. I will caution you about putting yourself on equal footing with God. He's God. You are a man.
and who are you exactly to deny that Spinto or anyone else for that matter has a personal relationship with God? Who are you to dictate the limits of that relationship?
it seems you need to heed your own caution.
If you were a Christian, then in a certain sense this would be true.
Again just who are you exactly to dictate the limits of anyones relationship with God?
The issue here is not love. I don't doubt that you love your homosexual partner. I don't doubt that he loves you. The issue is homosexual sex. It is a sin.
but then so is eating shrimp and wearing poly cotton blends and cutting your hair.
I'm not in the closet in any way, shape or form. I am a born-again Christian man who struggles against same-sex attraction. This is how I describe myself. Call me whatever you want.
so you are a gay Christian.
The only thing I truly hope for is to stand in front of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and hearing God say "Well done. I knew I could count on you. I know you have a lot of questions, but that can wait. Come on in and get some rest."
and when God says the same to Spinto how will you feel?
Of course a marraige cannot be based on sex alone. Althought, it is a very important part of the bond between a husband and wife. I never at any time said that "gay equals sex". [/QUOTE]
you just did.
levi501 said:Uh yah he can...
Philippians 4:13
"I can do everything through him who gives me strength."
That includes picking and choosing which laws to obey.
And evidence was presented. Pretending it was not is just dishonest.ChristianCenturion said:MAJOR flaw in those empty claims - EVIDENCE.
Centuries upon century of evidence against the "newly discovered" Gnosticism that is being attempted and somehow, everybody is suppose to turn a blind eye to it. Century upon century of a void backing up the Gnostic claim only coupled with itching ears wanting it to be true.
As noted in post number 396sethad said:note that it says homosexual offenders in that first verse. not homosexuals. so it could mean homosexual offenders as in those guys who used to keep little boys as sex slaves.
as I already said...
if it said heterosexual offenders would everyone think being heterosexual was a sin?
Yet [homosexual sex] exists and God doesnt seem terribly upset about it.
Heterosexual offenders would constitute fornicators or those who are raptulous. That would mean that Jesus condemned that sin as well (hetersexual offenders) and the very people who are that way, because even wanting to do it constitutes the action, as far as God is concerned. Therefore, if the text says "homosexual offenders", then the homosexual is condemned, just as the heterosexual offenders. Lust (outside of wedlock (which God does not permit within genders)) of any sort is sin.if it said heterosexual offenders would everyone think being heterosexual was a sin?
dyanm said:For those who claim that homosexuality is morally acceptable because of some
inherited trait, surely we would not make the argument that obesity, violence, alcoholism and adultery are legitimate because they were also inherited traits.
So it is w/homosexuality, whether inborn or acquired it is still like all sexual contact apart from marriage, immoral and immoral behavior cannot be legitimized by government support.
Are there diseases involved in homosexuality??spinto said:Obesity harms the person who is obese. There are and should never be any laws against it. There should be help for these people. Violence hurts other people against their will. There are good laws against this. Alcoholism is a problem and danger for other people. We should continue to try and control this problem. Adultery is humiliating and degrating to a marriage. But laws against this would be incredably stupid because of the many many different kinds of relationship circumstances out there. Controling this would turn our country into a dictatorship.
Homosexuality is simply the attration to someone of the same sex. It hurts no one. Many of us are married in spite of the Government's insistence of not recognizing it. The fact that our government does not recognize it hurts the many familiys that are living amongst us. There are many couples who are raising happy well adjusted children in happy homes. These kids are wanted and provided for, but our government does not give these families the legal backing to protect the intrest of these children as a strong "legal" family unit. THAT IS IMMORAL.
You are drawing similarities with between homosexuality and other things that are ACTUAL crimes against health at best and violent crimes at worse.
Where? I was merely referring to the argument of outlaw. You can't conquer the world with one verse.go back and read butxifnot. already discussed that verse.
I'll pray for you.I'm very skeptical of the "homosexuality is a sin" bit. then again I'm skeptical of everything.
That wasn't very nice. I won't follow suit. Pray that some of his skepticism about "everything" eases.Dracon427 said:Pray that he starts to think homosexuality is a sin?
Okay.Dracon427 said:Oh. I was confused. I thought you were refering to the first part of the sentence. I'm sorry.
Could you cite this for us?ILoveJesusHChrist said:Look im going to end this all right now. Jesus, not one of his prophets, said that you should accept everyone for who they are, no questions asked.
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