Homosexuality! Feel free to respond

[ViaCrucis]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about this. I know Jesus is alive but I was speaking about when he was on earth during his ministry.

Can we at least agree that, in Christianity, there is no room for putting gay people to death? And that as Christians our obligation toward everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is to love and serve them?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BravoM]

Lust is not love.
That's all homosexual acts are.

"Love is love" means nothing because homosexual "love" is not love, but a violent act of hate. Homosexuality cannot be promoted or endorsed in these forums because we are Christians here.

LGB and T+ are also a crime against nature and Self.

 

[atpollard]

Can we at least agree that, in Christianity, there is no room for putting gay people to death? And that as Christians our obligation toward everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is to love and serve them?

It might be more interesting to see how people reacted if we took sin seriously enough that we advocated putting everyone caught in any of the “deeds of the flesh” to death:

[Galatians 5:19-21 NASB95] 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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The problem is less our condemnation of homosexuality as sin, but our acting like it is some “special sin” while so many other sins are “acceptable” (even within the Church).

 

[Homeowner]

It might be more interesting to see how people reacted if we took sin seriously enough that we advocated putting everyone caught in any of the “deeds of the flesh” to death:

[Galatians 5:19-21 NASB95] 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
The problem is less our condemnation of homosexuality as sin, but our acting like it is some “special sin” while so many other sins are “acceptable” (even within the Church).

Yeah , but those are sins we all practice so clearly we have to pick something only minority indulges in then pour all of our failures in regards to sin towards those people to help us feel better of ourselves and to consider ourselves more righteous than those sinners.

It is such a sad stereotype it has already been adopted by popular culture.

 

[RileyG]

LGB and T+ are also a crime against nature and Self.

Truth

 

[The Liturgist]

Can we at least agree that, in Christianity, there is no room for putting gay people to death? And that as Christians our obligation toward everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is to love and serve them?

-CryptoLutheran

Of course. All sins are equal in the sight of God. I have homosexuals in my mission, and they are aware I am a traditionalist who adheres to traditional Biblical morality, but they stay because I treat them well.

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way, every mainline church has experienced a spectacular plunge in membership after instituting gay marriage and permitting non-celibate homosexual clergy. Indeed, this issue is the reason for the organization of ACNA, the Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians, a departure of UCC congregations (the UCC and Episcopal Church have lost the most members of any mainline church), and the North American Lutheran Church.

And unfortunately, because the bishops in North America seem determined to disobey the decision of the 2018 General Conference, there will likely be a schism in the United Methodist Church, which is also shedding members at an alarming rate.

The only denomination, of sorts, that embraces gay marriage and gay clergy and is actually growing is the Unitarian Universalist Association, which has moved beyond regarding the Bible as authoritative.

 

[BravoM]

Of course. All sins are equal in the sight of God. I have homosexuals in my mission, and they are aware I am a traditionalist who adheres to traditional Biblical morality, but they stay because I treat them well.

Except they are not all equal.
All lead to death and eternal separation from God if one does not repent, turn to God, and change.
No one needs a degree to know that murder and rape are far more serious than insults and stealing.
In this, they are all not equal.

 

[The Liturgist]

Except they are not all equal.
All lead to death and eternal separation from God if one does not repent, turn to God, and change.
No one needs a degree to know that murder and rape are far more serious than insults and stealing.
In this, they are all not equal.

According to Scripture, they are equal, at least in terms of eschatological outcome, in that any of them can lead to damnation:

• Colossians 3:5-6
• James 2:10
• Romans 3:9-12
• Romans 5:12-15
• Galatians 5:19-21
• 2 Corinthians 5:21
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
• James 1:14-15
• 1 John 2:1-2
• Romans 6:23
• Romans 6:12-14
• 1 John 3:4
• 1 John 1:7-9
• Romans 3:23

Of course, in terms of their effect in this life, some cause much more harm than others. If two unmarried men do that which is unnatural, they have harmed each other mutually, as if they had been in a violent altercation, but if one rapes another, this is much worse, and likewise if someone cheats on their husband or wife, because that tears families apart and leads to divorce, the great scourge of our era.

The ancient canon laws of the early church prohibit sodomites, murderers and remarried persons, who engaged in these sins after baptism, from being ordained even to the most minor of Holy Orders, such as Doorkeeper.

 

[BravoM]

Equal in one way but don't forget they are not in another.
You can easily forgive someone for lying to you or backstabbing you in your relationship. Can you forgive them for murdering a person?
Saying, "I can." and typing out the words are ineffective.
When one meets their Maker one day and will be judged, who wants to have "Murderer. Rapist. Theif. Pedo. Abuser." and so forth who didn't repent?
I'm no mind reader but common sense. If you truly love God with whom we are supposed to have a very close relationship you know they are not equal.
I'm sure your own parents could forgive stealing money from them vs murder or rape or other.

 

[The Liturgist]

Equal in one way but don't forget they are not in another.
You can easily forgive someone for lying to you or backstabbing you in your relationship. Can you forgive them for murdering a person?
Saying, "I can." and typing out the words are ineffective.
When one meets their Maker one day and will be judged, who wants to have "Murderer. Rapist. Theif. Pedo. Abuser." and so forth who didn't repent?
I'm no mind reader but common sense. If you truly love God with whom we are supposed to have a very close relationship you know they are not equal.
I'm sure your own parents could forgive stealing money from them vs murder or rape or other.

On the dread day of Judgement when we stand before Christ Pantocrator, and all that is hidden will be revealed, it is a terrible thing to have any sins one has not repented of.

I keep in mind two things: firstly, the warning of St. Anthony the Great, the Egyptian hermit who pursued a solitary life of prayer, “Expect temptation until your last breath.”

Secondly, the death of another Egyptian ascetic, one of the Desert Fathers who followed in St. Anthony’s footsteps, Abba Sisoes:

When Abba Sisoës lay upon his deathbed, the disciples surrounding the Elder saw that his face shone like the sun. They asked the dying man what he saw. Abba Sisoës replied that he saw St Anthony, the Prophets, and the Apostles. His face increased in brightness, and he spoke with someone. The monks asked, "With whom are you speaking, Father?" He said that angels had come for his soul, and he was entreating them to give him a little more time for repentance. The monks said, "You have no need for repentance, Father" St Sisoës said with great humility, "I do not think that I have even begun to repent."

After these words the face of the holy abba shone so brightly that the brethren were not able to look upon him. Abba Sisoës told them that he saw the Lord Himself. Then there was a flash like lightning, and a fragrant odor, and Abba Sisoës departed to the Heavenly Kingdom.

 

[jblavenderrose44]

IM not saying this for the people who say their Christians to fight with me who dont agree.
But those who understand. I've heard people try to change meanings of the bible that skim through but dont study but skim and make conclusions based on random false teachers theories who lie about the meaning of the bible. Those who study the bible know the bible says several times homosexual is a sin, then it describes what it means for women to be with women and man to be with men, then it even includes men not to wear women clothes and girl clothes, then it goes on to say homosexuality will increase in the last days. so many verses I can pull up and refer to. yet these rainbow flag churches are calling them christian pastors and making up false theologies saying God accepts this. and it makes alot of us Christians think. if you accept aboriton and this too WHAT ARE YOU PREACHING, cause how are yall Christians but believe nothing in the bible. theres no way your preaching it without tearing scriptures or skipping scriptures in the bible, no way possible. NOWAY our bible pretty much goes against this so how are yall christians what bible are you representing?
I've even had unbelievers say, homosexual dont mean being gay in the bible it means rape in the bible not being gay, so therefore we can be gay, and he went on to say it mean rape because the word wasnt homosexual along time ago. WHich isnt true cause God describes what it means to be homosexual in the bible. And yall I saw another video that sounded crazy but these pastors were saying something about God didnt mean homosexual and they talked about how it meant somehting regarding a unicorn in Gods time YALL LISTEN my head dropped after hearing what they said it meant!!! they are lying about what they see in the bible. In order to ignore the doctrine thats clearly there.
Then I heard another unbeliever say there was some man were trying to rape a man in the bible,and theyll say therefore God accept gay people cause why would God mention man trying to have sex. WHAT? HELLO that dont mean God allowed it, its like they cant tell when God is just telling a story about events that happened verses a command. God was telling a story not about himself but about events that happened. And theres many stories that are about killing, and doing things outside of Gods will but God was illustrating a story about what happen, theyll take anything in the bible ignore the rest of what the bible say and be like HERE MY PROOF. but lets ignore the rest of the bible just focus on this small detail I saw.
And people be like IM CHRISIAN AND GOD SAYS HE LOVES THIS. How are you missing any of these scriptures theres NOWAY they are reading our bible theres no way possible . The text is clear as day. So its like feel like imposter christians and imposter churches. ANd the church community is so quiet like its ok they lie about whats in our bible!
Im not saying the church should put them down, I dont think we should condemn anyone, but the church and major church leaders are not REBUKING with Righteous Judgement. If we see someone in sin that claims to be right or be walking in the right but they are wrong and we dont say nothing the bible says blood is on our hands cause they could of repented. but if we do say somehting and they choose to continue in sin, the blood is not on your hands but thats all on them.

Which says that in Ezekial 3:18
( God is saying in this text when we refuse to listen to Him, the text describes the acts to be shameful , and indecent desires that are shameful to the Lord , He will ALLOW us to engage in it, he wont force us to stop, this dont mean its not a sin, this mean like all sin, that happens on earth, Gods not going to put a knife to nobody head and say dont kill dont steal, if we want to resist Gods will, by all means Gods not going to force anyone to do HIs will. )

1. ROMANS 1:26-27
   Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
   
   
2. Leviticus 18:20 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them

Deuteronomy 22;5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an ABOMINATION to the LORD your God.

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1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
(bible gave description a few times on what it says homosexuality is and its included in the text of what will not enter the kingdom of God)

One thing I know for a fact the reason why alot of christains arent speaking up is because persecution is heading for the church and christains are fearful of losing their jobs and that those christains who stand for rebuking and telling the truth of whats in the bible will be punished especially once the anti-christ appears for not agreeing with the practices of the world! And then we will see all the other christains likely not be persecuted cause they accept God but also agree with alot of unbelievers on what they believe is right! Christians they will have alot of people people who like them. while the rest of us get rejected & die for Christ ! Cause the bible say they didnt hate Jesus cause He was Jesus ! otherwise theyd like Him. The bible say the reason why Christ said the world hated Him was because He told people what they were doing was EVIL. And people in those days were offended by his teachings of what we should and should not do cause they didnt want to stop and feel guilt about what they liked so they killed, Jesus.

I believe a lot of people that have accepted the sin of homosexuality and any other sin, I believe people know it's wrong, but JESUS said in John 3:19 that people loved the darkness, and also they love the pleasures of sin Hebrews 11:25, they will absolutely be held accountable especially saints that fail to shine the light of JESUS CHRIST into the darkness.

 

[pescador]

LGB and T+ are also a crime against nature and Self.

Jesus said to "love our neighbor as ourself". He didn't say "some neighbors". He also said not to judge others, otherwise you will be similarly judged. Apparently you disagree with Jesus. Would you explain why?

 

[pescador]

Except they are not all equal.
All lead to death and eternal separation from God if one does not repent, turn to God, and change.
No one needs a degree to know that murder and rape are far more serious than insults and stealing.
In this, they are all not equal.

You write "they are not all equal." followed by "All lead to death and eternal separation from God". You seem to be very confused.

a) Sin is sin.
b) All have sinned, but all are forgiven by Christ's sacrifice.

 

[jblavenderrose44]

Absolutely Love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:39), Jesus Loves everyone, but he does not approve and Love the sin one might be participating in, and with the greatest Love Jesus will guide one and deliver them from whatever sin(s) one may be participating in. It wouldn't be Love to look the other way, & pretend the sin is not there, If God is leading me to minister to anyone about their sin, i'd humbly and carefully approach them in Jesus name with guidance from him.

 

[Jarjj70]

Why do you call them church leaders when their actions say otherwise? Just because you stand in a pulpit or have a flock doesn’t mean you’re His.

Since we know the tree by its fruit that should be our benchmark for discrimination. If they remain in the post we should be more outraged by the souls they’re deceiving than this topic.

There’s wolves and tares in the church. That’s why wisdom is needed.

I like what Bella said here. It’s possible that entire church congregations are lost and may not even be born again. Matthew 7:22 states many will declare to Jesus that they have done many wonderful works in His name only to hear the most dreadful words ever spoken to man….I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity!!
Unbelief is iniquity. We are told that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are preaching a different Jesus. If we are to be identified as true followers of Christ, then we must be obedient to the commandments of scripture and producing fruits of righteousness. These “church goers” have heaped up for themselves false teachers because they have itching ears seeking to be taught what feels good to them. If these churches and followers of these churches are teaching contrary to Gods Word, they are not His!! Stay strong in the Lord brethren.

 

[tomartomau]

Sometimes people overthink things and read into a text that never was the intended meaning (isogete).
Sin is both a result, action and consequence.
I'll say it again sin is a result an action and a consequence.
The first commandment states whom we are to love in its completeness. Lust is never Godly love. All sexual sin is an abomination to God, we might think otherwise and to be frank that is on us not God. For me personally instead of looking down from God's perspective, I tend to apply what I see and feel. God IS.
God cannot help being all powerful, all knowing and all present.
Remember the man who when the ark was to fall he reached out and touched the Ark and died as a result, or that a High Preist wore bells and a rope so that in the event of being unclean He could be dragged out.
God clearly throughout human history describes the abomination of sin to Him.
God in the old testament clearly seperated Himself from sin. In giving Himself as Saviour and Redemmer, Sacrifice and Attoner Did God insert Himself into human history and do what I believe was a greater act than creation itself. It cost God everything, just everything to die on that cross.
I assume that I have sinned more than most of you and it has taken me a long time to recognise what I have written but O believe it with all my heart. Do O look down on homosexuals, porn addicts or people having affairs? No, I acknowledge that I was one of them and much more.

 

[tomartomau]

I did a typo, I meant love God in its completeness. The first of the 10 commandments.