Homosexuality and God

[TeenApe]

Out of curiosity, how do you or your church feel about homosexuality? I have found that many different churches believe different things. Please be specific. For example, do you beleive being gay is okay as long as you don't have sexual relations with anyone? Do you believe homosexuals should be converted to heterosexualism? Do you believe that they should be killed or punished? Or should they just be left alone? etc. I would love to hear your thoughts.

I am also a little inexperienced with the Bible, so if you could include any verses with your comment that would be amazing.

 

[Epiphoskei]

We would say homosexuality is and only is an act of sex, not an "orientation" at all. And the act of sex outside of marriage is always sin, and marriage goes deeper than sex, being a joining of the two genders so that both man and woman are fulfilled.

So there is no such thing as "being gay," at least as far as a non-sexual orientation goes, and neither is there permissable homosexual sex, since it would always be adultery.

 

[Stinker]

Out of curiosity, how do you or your church feel about homosexuality? I have found that many different churches believe different things. Please be specific. For example, do you beleive being gay is okay as long as you don't have sexual relations with anyone? Do you believe homosexuals should be converted to heterosexualism? Do you believe that they should be killed or punished? Or should they just be left alone? etc. I would love to hear your thoughts.

I am also a little inexperienced with the Bible, so if you could include any verses with your comment that would be amazing.

The Bible does not address a lot of human physical and psychological/emotional sexual characteristics. Every Christian that has been a Christian for a year surely has wondered about this. Since the Bible doesn't address the homosexual state (for where there is no law, there is no sin) I see nothing wrong then. No, I do not believe that it is even possible for a homosexual to be converted to heterosexualitiy, nor a heterosexual to be converted to homosexuality.

 

[ContentInHim]

Messianics generally view homosexual sex as sin. Fortunately, sin can be repented and the sinner returned to full fellowship with God!

 

[jamiel]

Out of curiosity, how do you or your church feel about homosexuality?

From all that I understand of homosexuality it's not a choice. Homosexuals in many numbers have tried to convert to heterosexuality and failed (and those who didn't fail I seriously wonder if were not bi-sexual instead). And, there are many reasons seperate from following a life of faith for a homosexual to go straight. Societal pressure itself for starters. Some turned to God about their homosexuality (and were entirely sincere) and that didn't work out. Some indeed love God but encounter barriers (including and IMO worst of all, rejection) from Christians.

I don't believe homosexuals can be "converted." It's not a religion, nor do I believe that alone makes them Satanically influenced. They shouldn't be killed or punished -- or judged. I would not even begin to say I know what it's like to be gay in a straight world or know exactly what they've gone through or are going through.

Why would God make someone homosexual then? Most especially if it's considered so wrong by some Christians? Most especially if they [some homosexuals] too happen love God through Jesus Christ. This is the question Christians must ask of themselves rather than putting it to the homosexuals why won't they cease being who they are.

We would say homosexuality is and only is an act of sex, not an "orientation" at all. And the act of sex outside of marriage is always sin, and marriage goes deeper than sex, being a joining of the two genders so that both man and woman are fulfilled.

So if gay marriage were recognized there should be no problem, since the homosexual act wouldn't be considered adulterous. I agree. More than the homosexual act itself this to me seems much worse. Two (of the same gender in this particular situation) would be fulfilled (and committed, under God).


Take care and God Bless.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear TeenApe

Homosexuality means having same-sex sexual attraction. God created man and woman to be in union (see Genesis 2 and Matthew 19, Ephesians 5) But humans disobeyed God and and have knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3) and God's word says sex outside this faithful man/woman union is error and not His created purpose for us. (Matt 19, 1 Corinthians 5-7) which includes same-sex sex and adultery. (Also see passages such as Romans 1 amongst others) So homosexuality is not necessarily any better or worse than heterosexaulity.

As for different churches, well they are either in line with God's word and purposes on this issue or out of line with it

Hope this helps

 

[Zaac]

Out of curiosity, how do you or your church feel about homosexuality? I have found that many different churches believe different things. Please be specific. For example, do you beleive being gay is okay as long as you don't have sexual relations with anyone? Do you believe homosexuals should be converted to heterosexualism? Do you believe that they should be killed or punished? Or should they just be left alone? etc. I would love to hear your thoughts.

I am also a little inexperienced with the Bible, so if you could include any verses with your comment that would be amazing.

TeenApe, first let me ask if you are a Christian for I will preface my statements based upon the assumption that you are.

With that said, let me make a comment that will serve you well as you grow in Christ.

Don't deal with how people feel, think, or believe because ultimately it is irrelevant.

When making decisions of right and wrong, deal with what GOD SAYS.

It will save you a lot of grief. It will upset those who want Truth to be subjected to a democratic show of hands. But nevertheless stand firmly on what the Word of God says about sin including the fornicative acts committed by homosexuals.

There will be many who you encounter who will speak to you about what some commentary has said that has inturn given them reason to believe that God's Word does not say what it clearly says.

Ignore them and their false teaching.

Stand firmly on what God's Word says. As the Bible says 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 2 Timothy 3:14-15

The discernment of God about this sin has been passed down from Saint to Saint and because of who you learned it from and who they learned it from, you know that God's Word is true and what He says about the sin of fornicative homosexual acts is true.

Again, always stand firmly on God's Word even if you're left standing alone.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Original Biblical texts use words that were considered slang in the time it was written and it's translated as "homosexual" (though it could also be male prostitution or touching yourself). I believe homosexuality is not a sin and is kept within the same boundaries of heterosexuality. Meaning no adultery or sex before marriage.

 

[Zaac]

Original Biblical texts use words that were considered slang in the time it was written and it's translated as "homosexual" (though it could also be male prostitution or touching yourself). I believe homosexuality is not a sin and is kept within the same boundaries of heterosexuality. Meaning no adultery or sex before marriage.

And in line with the piece of advice given to teen ape my young friend, you would do well, as a far as your spiritual maturing to heed the same advice.

Forget what you think. Forget the stuff that you have researched because of your admitted bias on one subject. Deal with God's Word the same on every subject.

You haven't researched and found that which was considered sland for other terms just homosexuality.

So why the bias?

This is why you must deal with what the text says. Not what you feel. Not what you have researched. Not what some liberal commentary tells you.

But what the Text on the page says.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

And in line with the piece of advice given to teen ape my young friend, you would do well, as a far as your spiritual maturing to heed the same advice.

Forget what you think. Forget the stuff that you have researched because of your admitted bias on one subject. Deal with God's Word the same on every subject.

You haven't researched and found that which was considered sland for other terms just homosexuality.

So why the bias?

This is why you must deal with what the text says. Not what you feel. Not what you have researched. Not what some liberal commentary tells you.

But what the Text on the page says.

I will once you start treating me like an equal and not a little kid who you can go "Aw, it's okay sweety" too.

I am a liberal, so liberal "commentary" holds more water for me.

I've done my research. You just don't agree with that research. That's fine. But don't try to tell me I'm foolish.

You can say it's "God's will" but I'm afraid you don't know God's will any better than me. In the end it's just your opinion. And I am never going to stop to listen to man's opinion.

 

[Zaac]

I will once you start treating me like an equal and not a little kid who you can go "Aw, it's okay sweety" too.

Your quest to be aligned/unaligned with God has nothing to do with how I treat you. When you're aligned with God, your comments will be taken seriously.

But as it stands, as demonstrated by the above comment, you are still a child in a lot of areas. There's a lot of stuff for which you have no understanding because that understanding comes from time and having a relationship with Jesus Christ.

You're treated like a little kid because the comments you make continue to show the maturity of a little kid. If you speak in the Spirit, I could care less about your physical age.

I am a liberal, so liberal "commentary" holds more water for me.

Commentary is NOT God's Word. This is where many get messed up. People don't trust God's Word as His Word, inerrant and infallible in every way, but they will build a belief system around a theology that developed around the commentary of other men.

I've done my research. You just don't agree with that research. That's fine. But don't try to tell me I'm foolish.

What other topics have you researched to the extent that you have homosexuality?

You can say it's "God's will" but I'm afraid you don't know God's will any better than me. In the end it's just your opinion. And I am never going to stop to listen to man's opinion.

You just said that liberal commentary holds more water for you. Exactly who do you think is writing the commentary?

But like I said, when you start replying in the spirit instead of like a petulant child who wants to be heard and will say anything to be heard, then you will be taken seriously.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I am not going to speak for my denominations beliefs on this forum as I have discovered that others just use it as an opportunity to denom bash. From both sides.

I will say that my views are in line with the RCC, but I present them as my own.