Homosexual paedophiles go to jail.

ChristianCenturion · Jun 30, 2006

Adriac said:
You know, that's interesting, because 3 : 100 isn't a bad figure for gay men in general.

I can't speak on Spherical Time's data gathering standards. In fact, I find that the information or connection between convicted offenders on this issue and their victim's gender very hard to access through public means.

However, he has already disqualified his numbers, so I guess it is a moot point.

Adriac · Jun 30, 2006

indigo10 said:
95% of sexual assaults on children are carried out by men.

It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well.

Of course, this little bit of highly inconvenient, politically incorrect, information does not get the airtime it deserves.

Fascinating. Tell us more.

ChristianCenturion · Jun 30, 2006

Adriac said:
Fascinating. Tell us more.

Thank you for the link.
Perhaps this sentence should be looked at carefully:

This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

I also note that the APA does not recognize an adult having sex with a child who has reached puberty as being pedophilia - thus the "true pedophiles" comments in your link have questionable results for me in relation to what the general public considers pedophilia.

I also preemptively note, that this does not equate homosexual dictates pedophilia.

beechy · Jun 30, 2006

ChristianCenturion said:
Thank you for the link.
Perhaps this sentence should be looked at carefully:

This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

I also note that the APA does not recognize an adult having sex with a child who has reached puberty as being pedophilia - thus the "true pedophiles" comments in your link have questionable results for me in relation to what the general public considers pedophilia.

I also preemptively note, that this does not equate homosexual dictates pedophilia.

First of all, Adriac was responding to indigo10's assertion that "It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well." The study clearly refutes that statement, since it specifies the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is 11:1, meaning that for every one homosexual pedophile, there are 11 heterosexual pedophiles. So according to this study, most male pedophiles (by far) are straight, not gay (by a ratio of 11 to 1).

CC, you also want us to note that the study points out that relatively speaking there are more pedophiles in the gay population than there are in the straight population. This conclusion is based on statistics which say that the ratio of straights to gays in the general population is 20:1 (5% gay), but that ratio drops to 11:1 (9% gay) when we look at pedophiles only -- a 4% increase. Noted.

Either way, indigo10's assertion is refuted by the authors' conclusion that 9% of pedophiles are gay .... and that 91% of pedophiles are straight.

p.s. I guess indigo10 has confirmed that the OP is not really about jail sentences, but rather is a (poor) attempt to illustrate that most pedophiles are gay ...

ChristianCenturion · Jun 30, 2006

beechy said:
First of all, Adriac was responding to indigo10's assertion that "It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well." The study clearly refutes that statement, since it specifies the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is 11:1, meaning that for every one homosexual pedophile, there are 11 heterosexual pedophiles. So according to this study, most male pedophiles (by far) are straight, not gay (by a ratio of 11 to 1).

CC, you also want us to note that the study points out that relatively speaking there are more pedophiles in the gay population than there are in the straight population. This conclusion is based on statistics which say that the ratio of straights to gays in the general population is 20:1 (5% gay), but that ratio drops to 11:1 (9% gay) when we look at pedophiles only -- a 4% increase. Noted.

Either way, indigo10's assertion is refuted by the authors' conclusion that 9% of pedophiles are gay .... and that 91% of pedophiles are straight.

p.s. I guess indigo10 has confirmed that the OP is not really about jail sentences, but rather is a (poor) attempt to illustrate that most pedophiles are gay ...

You may wish to do that math over.
I didn't state that the quantity of offenders were greater for homosexuals, I pointed out the reference indicating proportions. One would expect that heterosexuals accounting for anything from 99.5% to 90% of the population would generate a higher number even if the proportions were very low for heterosexuals.
And it isn't a 4% increase, it would be more like "twice as likely" based on your numbers. And speaking of your numbers, I would also like to see where you come up with your given percentages of the population being gay - in specific regarding to males since the article deals with males. Last I checked, the percentage by all reputable sources can't say what that percentage is. Only mythical estimate places it near a 10% range and it is far from being a confirmed percentage in either case.

NateBlack · Jun 30, 2006

"Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles(men attracted to adult women) to androphiles(men attracted to adult men) among the general population is approximately 20:1.

The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children."

Emphasis and Italics mine.

This is basic common sense. The intial statement is that of all men 100%(A) that 95% are hetero(B) & 5% are homo(C). If (X) number of pedos is made up of 9%(Y) homo + 91%(Z) hetero pedos, it's pretty clear that THE PROPORTION/RATION/PERCENTAGE of homo pedos (Y) to all homos(C) is going to be larger than the ratio of hetero pedos(Z) to all heteros(B).

Example:
100=total population (A) A=B:C B:C = 20:1
95=total heteros (B)
5=total homos (C)

Lets make up a number of total pedos:
10=total pedos (X) and then apply the 11:1 ratio
9.1=hetero pedos (Y)
.9=homo pedos (Z)

.9:5 or 18% is greater than 9.1:95 or 10%

"This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children."

It is just a reflection of the different population sizes.

THIS is what I think is striking:
"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1."

Cat59 · Jun 30, 2006

I've spent the greater part of last week trying to persuade a victim of the sort of abuse talked about here not to terminate their life, because the memory of the abuse that rings in their mind has never gone away. Whether the individual is female or male or what the gender of their abuser was is fairly irrelevent, what the dynamics of the sexual interaction between abuser and victim reveal (as in most cases) is that it was a question of sex being used as power and a weapon and the abused child as an object. The overtones seen here in linking abuse to homosexuality does nothing to help victims overcome their difficulties and can divert attention from the full picture of what happens in abuse.
Take this case, for example...
Up to 50 men were involved in the systematic abuse of this 13 year old girl...
Does the fact that they were heterosexual contribute to our understanding of why they abused her or help us help her come to terms with such an horrific experience?
I would suggest that such an outlook which is confinded to the gender preference of the abuser is simplistic and does little other than stigmatise groups. It certainly does not help the victims, nor aid in the efforts to prevent such abuse occuring in the future.

beechy · Jun 30, 2006

ChristianCenturion said:
You may wish to do that math over.
I didn't state that the quantity of offenders were greater for homosexuals, I pointed out the reference indicating proportions. One would expect that heterosexuals accounting for anything from 99.5% to 90% of the population would generate a higher number even if the proportions were very low for heterosexuals.
And it isn't a 4% increase, it would be more like "twice as likely" based on your numbers. And speaking of your numbers, I would also like to see where you come up with your given percentages of the population being gay - in specific regarding to males since the article deals with males. Last I checked, the percentage by all reputable sources can't say what that percentage is. Only mythical estimate places it near a 10% range and it is far from being a confirmed percentage in either case.

Those aren't my numbers, they're the numbers quoted in the abstract that Adriac linked to.

The abstract says that the general population is 20:1, straight:gay. So in a room of 21 people, 20 will be straight and 1 (or 4.76% -- I rounded up to 5) will be gay.

It goes on to say that among pedophiles, the ratio shifts to 11:1, straight:gay. So in a room of 12 pedophiles, 11 will be straight and 1 will be gay (or 8.3% gay -- I rounded up to 9 ... more properly I should have rounded down to 8, I guess).

So 4.76% of the general population is gay with respect to their attraction to adults, according to the abstract, and 8.3% of pedophile population is attracted to children of the same sex.

The article does not speak to what percentage of the general population (both gay and straight) are pedophiles.

And again, with respect to indigo10's statement that most pedophiles are gay, I hope we can all agere that Adriac's link refutes that statement (which is what it was intended to do).

steen · Jun 30, 2006

indigo10 said:
It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well.

No, that's actually a lie. But I am sure you have some kind of objective reference from the "psychology world" to show that you are not just hate mongering, right?

ChristianCenturion · Jun 30, 2006

beechy said:
Those aren't my numbers, they're the numbers quoted in the abstract that Adriac linked to.

The abstract says that the general population is 20:1, straight:gay. So in a room of 21 people, 20 will be straight and 1 (or 4.76% -- I rounded up to 5) will be gay.

It goes on to say that among pedophiles, the ratio shifts to 11:1, straight:gay. So in a room of 12 pedophiles, 11 will be straight and 1 will be gay (or 8.3% gay -- I rounded up to 9 ... more properly I should have rounded down to 8, I guess).

So 4.76% of the general population is gay with respect to their attraction to adults, according to the abstract, and 8.3% of pedophile population is attracted to children of the same sex.

The article does not speak to what percentage of the general population (both gay and straight) are pedophiles.

And again, with respect to indigo10's statement that most pedophiles are gay, I hope we can all agere that Adriac's link refutes that statement (which is what it was intended to do).

Uh, huh...

I already made a statement on what constitutes the clinical pedophilia in another post not typically matching the publics perception.

Excerpt~
"while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1."

I had to look up what gynephiles and androphiles were earlier myself.
Just so that is clear:

Excerpt~
(a) Gynephiles (males who erotically prefer physically mature females), (b) androphiles (who prefer physically mature males),

So again and this is merely a minor point for perspective reference, the 20:1 ratio mentioned would clinically consider a man that was 25, 30, 40, etc. having sex wilth a 13 year old girl that has reached puberty as not being pedophilia.

But again, your argument has nothing to do with what my original post addressed. If one member corrects another member's figures, great. I don't see what members indigo10 or Adriac being closer to the number has to do with MY post. My post was noting the conclusion that Adriac linked:

"This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually."

Your post tried to make a statement of a 4% increase as if a jump from 20:1 to 11:1 were some small issue. I corrected that in stating it was more like an issue of being twice as likely.

All that was referencing one exploratory study BTW.

JGG · Jun 30, 2006

indigo10 said:
95% of sexual assaults on children are carried out by men.

It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well.

Of course, this little bit of highly inconvenient, politically incorrect, information does not get the airtime it deserves.

Actually, this little bit of inconvenient information is not true (making it all the more inconvenient, and slanderous), and is propogated by misleading information put forth by homophobes. The vast majority of peadophiles are heterosexual. However, as most of these attacks are committed against young boys, these heterosexuals are placed in the "gay" category, which is misleading.

A more convincing way of putting it is that about 85-90% of paedophiles identify themselves as heterosexual. And for the record, I am a psychological researcher, so I'm somewhat familiar with the "established facts" of the "psychological world."

Nice try.

beechy · Jun 30, 2006

ChristianCenturion said:
Uh, huh...

I already made a statement on what constitutes the clinical pedophilia in another post not typically matching the publics perception.

Excerpt~
"while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1."

I had to look up what gynephiles and androphiles were earlier myself.
Just so that is clear:

Excerpt~
(a) Gynephiles (males who erotically prefer physically mature females), (b) androphiles (who prefer physically mature males),

So again and this is merely a minor point for perspective reference, the 20:1 ratio mentioned would clinically consider a man that was 25, 30, 40, etc. having sex wilth a 13 year old girl that has reached puberty as not being pedophilia.

Which is neither here nor there, because gays and straights are held to the same standard in this respect.

ChristianCenturion said:
But again, your argument has nothing to do with what my original post addressed. If one member corrects another member's figures, great. I don't see what members indigo10 or Adriac being closer to the number has to do with MY post. My post was noting the conclusion that Adriac linked:

"This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually."

Your post tried to make a statement of a 4% increase as if a jump from 20:1 to 11:1 were some small issue. I corrected that in stating it was more like an issue of being twice as likely.

Like I said earlier, the problem is that the abstract does not say what percentage of the general population are pedophiles.

So let's say that 0.1% of the straight population are pedophiles and that percentage is *gasp* double for gays ... so 0.2% of the gay population are pedophiles. That means "only" 99.8% of the gay population are not pedophiles as opposed to 99.9% of the straight population. Big deal?

And, again, no matter how you slice it, the abstract states that 91.7% of pedophiles are straight.

ChristianCenturion said:
All that was referencing one exploratory study BTW.

This is true. But that's the study we're discussing.

kopilo · Jun 30, 2006

cat59 said:
Does the fact that they were heterosexual contribute to our understanding of why they abused her or help us help her come to terms with such an horrific experience?
I would suggest that such an outlook which is confinded to the gender preference of the abuser is simplistic and does little other than stigmatise groups. It certainly does not help the victims, nor aid in the efforts to prevent such abuse occuring in the future.

Seems logical and productive, I think some people have difficulty with both those things.

indigo10 · Jul 2, 2006

indigo10 said:
Homosexual paedophiles go to jail for only 5 years.

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=2634

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13529493,00.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/dutch_pedophiles_dc

indigo10 said:
95% of sexual assaults on children are carried out by men.

It has been an established fact in the psychology world for some time that most male paedophiles are homosexual as well.

Of course, this little bit of highly inconvenient, politically incorrect, information does not get the airtime it deserves.

Do not click on these links if you are easily offended by the truth.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_03_02.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/893184/posts

http://www.crimelibrary.com/

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Adriac · Jul 2, 2006

indigo10 said:
Do not click on these links if you are easily offended by the truth.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_03_02.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/893184/posts

http://www.crimelibrary.com/

..........................................................................

Uh oh! Red herring.

The vast majority of men who sexually abuse children — even those who abuse boys — are heterosexual. Those sources make no mention of homosexuality, which is a sexual orientation.

Scientific studies on sexual orientation, such as the one I linked, continue to bear out this statistic.

Telephone · Jul 2, 2006

indigo10 said:
Do not click on these links if you are easily offended by the truth.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_03_02.html

LOL !!!

This link is obviously an agenda driven ultra-conservative anti-homosexual Christian site masquerading as pseudo-science.

Laughable !

Article titles from this site include:

Why are homosexuals so troubled and rebellious?

Learn why homosexuality is often associated with violent behavior.

Scientific evidence proves homosexual marriage is a bad idea and nothing like traditional marriage.

Proof that homosexuality is not genetic.

How should Christians respond to homosexuality? Dr. Cameron explains the Biblical principles in light of the Gay Agenda

and my favourite bits

The major sex surveys have reported that homosexuals are less apt to be productive workers.

Does Pot "Fry" The Brain?

Go To Church, Live Longer

indigo10 said:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/893184/posts

This link takes you to the very same information that pops up when you go to the above link, similarly anti-homosexual Christian site masquerading as pseudo-science.

indigo10 said:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/

And this link simply takes us to a 'crime library' that includes everything from terrorism, serial killers, mob bosses and my favorite "Women who kill".

Great stuff, not as entertaining as 'familyresearchinst' (the well known and respected, agenda free, science website)

Great fun, I did really laugh out loud at some of the articles in the first link !

I might have to book mark it.

Telephone · Jul 2, 2006

Good grief !! The more I read the first link the better it gets.

I recommend those not bonded by irrational superstitious thinking to read some of the articles, they are so slanted and biased as to make genuinely funny reading.

I love this scientific 'paper' on homosexuality:

In both cases, the individuals are frequently illegal drug users and alcoholics. If they have legitimate jobs, their employment histories appear to be disproportionately unstable. And, with rare exception, they are veritably obsessed with looking like the opposite sex many mutilated men spend 3-4 hours every day doing their hair, makeup, dressing, strutting, fussing, etc.

LOL Science at its best ! "Those thar homosexualics struttin' and fussin' all day"

I especially like the implicit "If they have legitimate jobs".

And more "science" ( ) from the same piece:

Of course, what has been sacrificed are long-standing Jewish and Christian prohibitions against cross-dressing and mutilation. The ancient Jews and the early Christians regarded cross-dressing and mutilation as horribly wrong mocking Gods design and thwarting the basic requirements for orderly society.

Dear me ! LOL !

I might have to send in a few pieces I have written myself, like:

How homosexuals started World War II

9/11 a homosexual victory ?

Osama-Bum-Laden ?

And the one I am currently working on

Recent study shows gay men to be 40% more flammable that straight men

I advise anyone who wants to look at some solid scientific studies on homosexuality without agenda, bias or any hidden goal to give this site a 'laugh', sorry I mean 'look'

TuxThePenguin · Jul 2, 2006

indigo10 why do you not engage in conversation or possibly even discussion? Posting links to dubious websites doesn't help anone. why not address the points made on the thread.

Do you agree that the vast majority of paedophiles are hetrosexual?

Do you want to discuss a moral framework for dealing with paedophiles?

Telephone · Jul 2, 2006

TuxThePenguin said:
Do you want to discuss a moral framework for dealing with paedophiles?

1) Firstly locate their 'lairs' or nesting places.

2) Establish that the paedophile is one of the homosexual types, throw the others back into the nest.

3) Give them a thorough beating with a decent sized leather bound Old Testament.

4) Get them to renounce Moloch / Allah / Atheism / heliocentrism.

5) Then set them on fire for eternity.

Yusuf Evans · Jul 2, 2006

Hetero or homo, I don't care. 5 years for a pedophile when a drug dealer gets more time is irresponsible justice in my opinion. Pedophiles and rapists(not stat) have it way too easy. Stick them all in general population with the rest of the violent criminals. Also, they need to serve at least 15 years for their crimes, not five. Stupid judicial system.

Homosexual paedophiles go to jail.

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