Homosexual lifestyle?

[EnemyPartyII]

But for Christians the key is living out a Christian lifestyle, one that honours God. In fact the Bible says honour God with our bodies and not indulge in sexula immorality. The homosexual lifestyle isnt really of interest to Christians we dont need to debate whatever it is.

Translation:"I have no idea what the homosexual lifestyle is, but good luck getting me to admit it, now watch while I disapear in a cloud of self righteous sanctimony"

 

[Phinehas2]

The place of sex in the Christian lifestyle is intended for within a faithful man/woman union. See Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 6-7, 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1.

There is no mention of just partner, thats fiction.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The place of sex in the Christian lifestyle is intended for within a faithful man/woman union. See Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 6-7, 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1.

There is no mention of just partner, thats fiction.

Once again, they are normative descriptions, not proscriptive ones.

Adam and Eve are fiction. God's love and acceptance of homosexuals is real.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII,

Once again, they are normative descriptions, not proscriptive ones.

They are clealry proscriptive, but even if it wasnt there isn't even any other example. <staff edit>

Adam and Eve are fiction. God's love and acceptance of homosexuals is real.

That is ficton and disbelief in the Bible.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

<staff edit>

That is ficton and disbelief in the Bible.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

I disbelieve that Adam and Eve were actual people, sure.

But then, thats because I can understand basic biology.

 

[Polycarp1]

Well maybe Christians should just stick to talking about a Christian lifestyle where sex is intended to be within a faithful man/woman union.

Ah, but observe that it's your opinion of what is a homosexual lifestyle and what is a Christian lifestyle and where God intended sex to occur that comes into play here. As an Anglican, I'm sure you are aware of how much we love the idea of a Pope laying down what theology and ethics we are obliged to subscribe to.

And that includes self-appointed ones who show up and pontificate about "what the Bible obviously says." If it were so obvious, there wouldn't be disagreement about it, now, would there?

And nothing in Scripture commands that you render asunder the Church in order to force your personal theological views upon others -- in fact, I believe a case can be made that He meant exactly the opposite.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Polycarp1,

Ah, but observe that it's your opinion

No that&#8217;s the Christian opinion based on what the Bible says. That should be your opinion too if you are an Anglican. See Lambeth 1.10. And indeed the marriage union of a man and a woman is a rite or secondary sacrament.
Look here is Lambeth 1.10 and just for you to be able to test who speaks the truth and those who are self pontificating Anglicans who might believe neither the Bible nor their church&#8217;s position.

commends to the Church the subsection report on human sexuality;
in view of the teaching of Scripture, upholds faithfulness in marriage between a man and a woman in lifelong union, and believes that abstinence is right for those who are not called to marriage;
recognises that there are among us persons who experience themselves as having a homosexual orientation. Many of these are members of the Church and are seeking the pastoral care, moral direction of the Church, and God's transforming power for the living of their lives and the ordering of relationships. We commit ourselves to listen to the experience of homosexual persons and we wish to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ;
while rejecting homosexual practice as incompatible with Scripture, calls on all our people to minister pastorally and sensitively to all irrespective of sexual orientation and to condemn irrational fear of homosexuals, violence within marriage and any trivialisation and commercialisation of sex;
cannot advise the legitimising or blessing of same sex unions nor ordaining those involved in same gender unions;

 

[Polycarp1]

Dear Polycarp1,
No that’s the Christian opinion based on what the Bible says. That should be your opinion too if you are an Anglican. See Lambeth 1.10. And indeed the marriage union of a man and a woman is a rite or secondary sacrament.
Look here is Lambeth 1.10 and just for you to be able to test who speaks the truth and those who are self pontificating Anglicans who might believe neither the Bible nor their church’s position.

commends to the Church the subsection report on human sexuality;
in view of the teaching of Scripture, upholds faithfulness in marriage between a man and a woman in lifelong union, and believes that abstinence is right for those who are not called to marriage;
recognises that there are among us persons who experience themselves as having a homosexual orientation. Many of these are members of the Church and are seeking the pastoral care, moral direction of the Church, and God's transforming power for the living of their lives and the ordering of relationships. We commit ourselves to listen to the experience of homosexual persons and we wish to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ;
while rejecting homosexual practice as incompatible with Scripture, calls on all our people to minister pastorally and sensitively to all irrespective of sexual orientation and to condemn irrational fear of homosexuals, violence within marriage and any trivialisation and commercialisation of sex;
cannot advise the legitimising or blessing of same sex unions nor ordaining those involved in same gender unions;

For those who may not be familiar with it, "Lambeth 1.10" is the designation given to a non-binding teaching resolution adopted by a gathering of Anglican bishops at the Lambeth Conference of 1998, which Phinehas seems to have mistaken for Holy Writ or an Anglican sort of Papal Bull, and in fact was adopted in replacement of a draft resolution prepared jointly by a group of liberal and conservative Anglican bishops through the devious parliamentary procedures of Lord Carey, then Archbishop of Canterbury; the facts behind this bit of chicanery are spelled out in one of the later chapters of John Shelby Spong's autobiography.

 

[jamielindas]

How does the 'homosexual lifestyle' described by the homosexuals on this forum compare with the lifestyle of normal americans of the same age group?

What other things are these 'normal' people doing that is out of line with the Bible?
Pre marital sex? cloth of two fibers? ritual animal sacrifice? working on the sabbath? Condoms? Deciding to not procreate?

Why is it that the perceived homosexual lifestyle is more important(judging from the amount of time spent on it) than these other things?
Where is the crusade to stop straight couples from deciding to not have kids?
Where is the crowd that punishes people for working on the sabbath? "All people working on this day will no longer have the right to...!"

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Ah, but observe that it's your opinion of what is a homosexual lifestyle and what is a Christian lifestyle and where God intended sex to occur that comes into play here. As an Anglican, I'm sure you are aware of how much we love the idea of a Pope laying down what theology and ethics we are obliged to subscribe to.

And that includes self-appointed ones who show up and pontificate about "what the Bible obviously says." If it were so obvious, there wouldn't be disagreement about it, now, would there?

And nothing in Scripture commands that you render asunder the Church in order to force your personal theological views upon others -- in fact, I believe a case can be made that He meant exactly the opposite.

Dear Polycarp,

Good luck getting Phineas to see the difference between his personal opinion and what all Christians believe. He seems genuinely unable to grasp the concept that two different people can arrive at their own, different interpretations of what the Bible means. I've tried to explain this to him, but he goes off on wierd tangents telling me that I'm bearing false witness because I don't believe Adam and Eve were literal people, or something. Its kinda hard to follow.

Anyway, hope you have better luck getting through than I did. What would I know, I'm an evil lesbian after all.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

How does the 'homosexual lifestyle' described by the homosexuals on this forum compare with the lifestyle of normal americans of the same age group?

What other things are these 'normal' people doing that is out of line with the Bible?
Pre marital sex? cloth of two fibers? ritual animal sacrifice? working on the sabbath? Condoms? Deciding to not procreate?

Why is it that the perceived homosexual lifestyle is more important(judging from the amount of time spent on it) than these other things?
Where is the crusade to stop straight couples from deciding to not have kids?
Where is the crowd that punishes people for working on the sabbath? "All people working on this day will no longer have the right to...!"

as evidenced in this very thread, when you directly confront people who use "the homosexual lifestyle" as a perjorative, they are totally unable to actually give a clear definition of what they mean by the term. Such is the nature of hate-speach. You can observe precisely the same phenomena in groups who use terms such as "Islamo-fascist", "war on Christianity" or "culture of death". Such phrases don't really mean anything, certainly not anything concrete, but then, they aren't meant to. They're catchy buzzwords that act as a rallying cry for reactionaries who are happy to hate groups of "others" without making any effort to understand them.

 

[stumpjumper]

The bestiality discussion has been removed.

It is a topic not welcome at Christian forums.

Thank you.