homophobia: why?

[Adam Kadamon]

I suggest you read through a few arguments about homosexuality or gay marriage. Gays and their minions are usually very quick to slap "homophobe" on anyone who disagrees with them.

I suggest you grow up. If everyone got their information from a message board instead of the real world, we'd all be in a sorry state. People who coin the term 'homophobe' to mean 'anyone who disagrees with gays' are radical nuts, IMO. I don't agree with the political connotations, myself. You, my friend, are trying to turn homophobia (a real condition) into a joke.

 

[mpshiel]

I honestly think that both sides generally are afraid of the other. Most gay men and lesbian women I know have had such bad experiences with Religion or with people (like parents and relations) using religion as a big stick that while many describe themselves as "spiritual" they don't really want to deal with the hassel and risk of rejection organized religion brings.

As for many fundimentalist or Evangelical Christians, it is safe when the world makes sense and when all the answers are known - believe me, I was one. I was like Joseph, literally running from temptation (homosexuals). I think my greatest secret fear was that they would be nice normal people for whom I could feel no sympathy at all. Or worse, seeing some couples so in love and happy, I might even feel envy. Envy for a gay couple! How would that be a just world? But really I was just isolated. (times change, eh?)

Another aspect is that for most people with religious upbringing to come out, they first have to overcome the self hatred they have been taught and they taught themselves. Homophobia is real, and it exists hardest in the heart of the homosexual - like a girl who goes out with girls but says she's bisexual and reacts violently to the mention of self identifying as a lesbian. Until a gay person can believe in thier heart that it really is okay to be gay.....well of all classifications, lesbians are most likely to see counselling/therapy. Doesn't mean they are ill, just trying to clear some baggage.

 

[revrobor]

recently, with the gay marriage issue suddenly pushed to the forefront of debate, i find myself deeply confused about many christians' views on homosexuality. many seem to be incredibly adamant that homosexuality is inherently wrong, and even evil.

okay: the following bit is for some of you.
please: step back for a second and think: gay people are people. right? i mean, how can you look at it any other way? to hate is wrong. hatred is never, ever, right. ever. are gay people gods creation? doesnt god love his creations? how could (or, why would) god create something that is to be hated from its creation? homosexuality is medically proven to be a part of you. it is not a state of mind, and cannot be altered by the homosexual.

alrighty. so. please help me out here- i see christianity as a good thing- most christians are good people, and religion really works for them. so why do so many hate gays? the argument of "its against my religion" just doesnt fly with me- or is hatred truly a part of christianity? i just dont understand.

Why is it those who defend or support the homosexual lifestyle insist on referring to those who oppose it as "haters" and "homophobic"? Your rhetoric just doesn't fly with those who know the truth.

I am opposed to the homosexual lifestyle because God is opposed to it and has said those who continue in homosexual practices will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. As one of His followers I cannot condone homosexual sex because the One who created us said it is an abomination. I do not hate homosexuals. The homosexuals I've known have been some of the nicest, most loving people I've ever met. But they need to understand that, if they continue in that lifestyle, they are condemned.

If you think that is "hate" then you'd better take it up with the One who made the call. It wasn't me. (Although I am a little annoyed that homosexuals have destroyed a perfectly good English word that, for a couple of centuries, meant "happily excited, merry, keenly alive and exuberant" and rendered it meaningless in many songs and poems.)

 

[Invader Pichu]

I suggest you read through a few arguments about homosexuality or gay marriage. Gays and their minions are usually very quick to slap "homophobe" on anyone who disagrees with them.

I'm sorry but that quote made me laugh.

OP: I feel the reason behind so much hatred towards homosexuality is blind faith and ignorance.

 

[Grunt]

I suggest you grow up. If everyone got their information from a message board instead of the real world, we'd all be in a sorry state. People who coin the term 'homophobe' to mean 'anyone who disagrees with gays' are radical nuts, IMO. I don't agree with the political connotations, myself. You, my friend, are trying to turn homophobia (a real condition) into a joke.

I suggest you step into the real world. They are quite common, and not just on message boards.

 

[Adam Kadamon]

I suggest you step into the real world.

Nah...never liked that show too much. In fact, all reality TV sucks these days. I just found out Laverne and Shirley is back on the air though. I love that show.

They are quite common, and not just on message boards.

LOL!

You are a caution. Sorry sweetheart, but the real world is over THIS way. I am going to tell you the reality and you are either going to plug your ears and sing 'la la la' at the top of your head so you can't hear me (or, since we are on a MB, you will suddenly forget how to read). Or you will you be a good boy and face facts.

Let us say we have a pie chart split into 16 equal parts. Shade in about 3/16. That's your gays who in denial and are deluded into thinking something is wrong with them. This can also include anyone in your 'anti-gay' groups. Shade in 2/16 more. There you have the actual homophobics. People with an actual phobia of homosexuals and homosexuality. They could apply to the first group, but they don't actively seek to harm or 'cure' gays or have any political motivation. Now, about 10/16 are your gays who just want to lead a normal life and do. They work, go out to eat, go to school, go to church, have families, go to the mall, drive cars, and don't much of a d***n about political agendas. You've probably met more than one gay person and didn't know they were gay at all. Now... that gives us 15/16. That leaves 1/16 for your 'quite common' group that I refer to as your 'radicals'.

So be glad. I'm agreeing with you that there are people who'd jump down your throat and call you a homophobe if you beat gay person at 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'. And the media does make you think they are the majority. They, however, are not the majority. It's like saying all heterosexuals go to mardi gras. Lots of 'em there, but not the majority.

So, with that out of the way.



God bless you and yours

 

[tcampen]

Adam,

Great post. Gay and lesbian radicals no more represent all gays and lesbians than Jerry Falwell or Fred Phelps represents all Christians. While these extremes on both sides seem to get the most attention because of their extreme expressions, they are a minority among their professed group affiliation. I don't buy referring to the "homosexual agenda" any more than calling Christians "bigots." Such blanket name calling from both sides is designed to instill fear, hate and division - not understanding.

I have close friends who are christian and close friends who are gay and lesbian (and some that are both.) They are all just regular people who have respect their fellow human, and strive for what's best for their families and lives. The true silent majority (which includes regular people from all walks of life, religions, and sexualities) has very little of the venom expressed by those extreme factions pretending to represent the whole or the righteous.

Perhaps we all shouldn't forget that.

 

[Volos]

originally posted by : Grunt

"Homophobe/Homophobia" are buzzwords. They're thrown around with other buzzwords like "bigot" to attempt to demonize those who don't agree with homosexuals. I have actually seen one person say, "imagine yourself having sex with someone of your gender; if you aren't comfortable with that image you're a homophobe."

A homophobe is one who fears or holds contempt for homosexuals. You can think being gay is wrong, you can be against gay marriage and it is even possible to hate gays without being a homophobe (though most people who do hate gays do full under homophobe).

To think that being gay is wrong and to be against same sex marriage does actually mean one is a homophobe. Your own definition indicates that. The key concept in this is contempt.

To claim that being gay is “wrong” is to show contempt. To advocate discrimination against an entire group of law abiding citizens shows not only hate but also contempt in the extreme.

 

[Volos]

originally posted by : revrobor

Why is it those who defend or support the homosexual lifestyle insist on referring to those who oppose it as "haters" and "homophobic"? Your rhetoric just doesn't fly with those who know the truth.

Please explain to me why advocating discrimination against an entire group of law abiding citizens simply because they are different is not hatred. If such discrimination were being advocated against Jews it would be called hate. If it was being advocated that Islamic marriages not be legally recognized it would be called hate. If it such discrimination were directed at African Americans it would be called hate. Why is it when discrimination is directed against gays and lesbians it is good?

I am opposed to the homosexual lifestyle because God is opposed to it and has said those who continue in homosexual practices will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. As one of His followers I cannot condone homosexual sex because the One who created us said it is an abomination. I do not hate homosexuals.

Your words here are drenched with hate and contempt.

The homosexuals I've known have been some of the nicest, most loving people I've ever met. But they need to understand that, if they continue in that lifestyle, they are condemned.

Condemned by you.

If you think that is "hate" then you'd better take it up with the One who made the call.

It is hatred. Using the bible or any old book to justify hatred does not magically change what you preach into something good.

It wasn't me. (Although I am a little annoyed that homosexuals have destroyed a perfectly good English word that, for a couple of centuries, meant "happily excited, merry, keenly alive and exuberant" and rendered it meaningless in many songs and poems.)

Those nasty nasty f@gs. How dare they dare they! I mean using a word to describe themselves that does not express the fear hate or contempt. Who do they thing they are? Human beings or something. Next thing you know those uppity blacks will start thinking they have civil rights too. Or worse the Jews…Can you imagine?

 

[Grunt]

So be glad. I'm agreeing with you that there are people who'd jump down your throat and call you a homophobe if you beat gay person at 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'. And the media does make you think they are the majority.

If the gays I know or radicals, then I would hate to see your version of radicals.

You are a caution. Sorry sweetheart, but the real world is over THIS way. I am going to tell you the reality and you are either going to plug your ears and sing 'la la la' at the top of your head so you can't hear me (or, since we are on a MB, you will suddenly forget how to read). Or you will you be a good boy and face facts.

Wow, I guess you feel big, bad and important after that gem. Have a pat on the back.

To think that being gay is wrong and to be against same sex marriage does actually mean one is a homophobe. Your own definition indicates that. The key concept in this is contempt.

To claim that being gay is ?wrong? is to show contempt. To advocate discrimination against an entire group of law abiding citizens shows not only hate but also contempt in the extreme.

Recheck the definition of "contempt".

Beyond that, you've already made up your mind, so why should I argue?

 

[Blessed75]

please: step back for a second and think: gay people are people. right? i mean, how can you look at it any other way? to hate is wrong. hatred is never, ever, right. ever. are gay people gods creation? doesnt god love his creations? how could (or, why would) god create something that is to be hated from its creation?

Hon, I've been trying to say this all along - Funny how a "person" is quickly labeled "gay" once someone finds out they like the same sex and the label "person" is quickly dropped. I find it quite disgusting myself. But hey, my God tells me to love everyone - gay, straight, black, white, purple, yellow, - you get my drift. Good question though but one you'll never really get a straight answer on - but this BELIEVER doesn't have a problem with it - I don't have a problem with GOD'S CREATIONS...........

 

[Adam Kadamon]

If the gays I know or radicals, then I would hate to see your version of radicals.

You'd be surprised, pudding pop. I've met radicals that would make other homosexuals want to go straight out of simple fear of association.

Wow, I guess you feel big, bad and important after that gem. Have a pat on the back.

Aww, thanks. Have a hug. Don't mind me, I'm PMSing. Don't usually bite heads off So I'm going to be the bigger person and say I apologize, I shouldnt've gotten personal, and I trust in your ability to read past my temper to the real issue. I see you are from NC? Me too. It's a small world after all.


So...no hard feelings? I really do feel bad. You'll find I'm much more worthwhile person to have discussions with...when we meet again. I'm outta this thread. I actually swore off homosexuality threads XP

 

[transientlife]

hatred of someone for something that is not their fault and they cannot change is wrong. there is no question in my mind about that.
so, your idea of god is a vengeful, spiteful, robed guy in the clouds who sits and broods about how much he hates those damn gays? or what?! im not getting you.

IMO, God is not a hateful god, he is capable of it, but I do not think that's his primary attitude. I do not think he hates gays - though a lot of people get that impression because you have HUMANS using God's word in order to justify their own hate - which is just BEYOND wrong. Besides, depriving someone of their personhood makes it easier to judge, hate and hurt them. Any translation of the Bible I know of says that homosexuality is a sin ---being a homosexual isn't, but practicing it is---and God DOES hate sin, all sin. So if God is up there in his robe in the clouds saying how much he hates those gays (which I find hard to believe), he has to be up there saying how he hates those adulterers, murderers and liars, too - all of us, really, since all sin is equal in his eyes.
I sin, you sin, they sin, we all sin, and therefore we should not judge so harshly and just love each other (like Blessed said "black, white, yellow, purple, straight and gay") like we're supposed to, and should do.

 

[The-Doctor]

Hmm interesting thread and views. I know people who have sex with others of the same sex as them but do not for a moment think they are gay. Jesus walked with sinners and outcasts.

 

[Volos]

Originally posted by : Grunt

Recheck the definition of "contempt".

Beyond that, you've already made up your mind, so why should I argue?

contempt

​

SYLLABICATION: con·tempt
PRONUNCIATION: k n-t mpt
NOUN:
1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Latin contemptus, past participle of contemnere, to despise.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.





Why are you arguing? If I had to guess - it is a deep seated need to justify your contempt and pretend that it is something else.

 

[Grunt]

1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

Believing that being gay is wrong and that gay marriage is wrong involves none of those. Next?

Why are you arguing? If I had to guess - it is a deep seated need to justify your contempt and pretend that it is something else.

Such arrogance. Rooted in a bit of theophobia, perhaps? Well, suit yourself laddie, but I've never even given my views on gay marriage here.

 

[chalice_thunder]

Well... not everyone finds it repulsive.

thank you...

 

[APHIZM UK]

For a person to be repulsed by the thought of two men, or two women, having sex is odd to me. It makes me wonder why a person would be imagining such a thing in the first place. When I meet heterosexual people, I don't immediately start imagining them having sex.

So the question is why some heterosexual people fantasize about the sexual acts of homosexuals? I'm sure if they didn't, they'd find nothing to be repulsed by.

Another question would be how God could be abhorred by consensual homosexual sex? What is the purpose?

 

[chalice_thunder]

For a person to be repulsed by the thought of two men, or two women, having sex is odd to me. It makes me wonder why a person would be imagining such a thing in the first place. When I meet heterosexual people, I don't immediately start imagining them having sex.

So the question is why some heterosexual people fantasize about the sexual acts of homosexuals? I'm sure if they didn't, they'd find nothing to be repulsed by.

Another question would be how God could be abhorred by consensual homosexual sex? What is the purpose?

Game ~ Set ~ Match !


...a warm welcome to CF, Aphizm UK!

 

[APHIZM UK]

...a warm welcome to CF, Aphizm UK!

Nice to meet you