homophobia: why?

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recently, with the gay marriage issue suddenly pushed to the forefront of debate, i find myself deeply confused about many christians' views on homosexuality. many seem to be incredibly adamant that homosexuality is inherently wrong, and even evil.

okay: the following bit is for some of you.
please: step back for a second and think: gay people are people. right? i mean, how can you look at it any other way? to hate is wrong. hatred is never, ever, right. ever. are gay people gods creation? doesnt god love his creations? how could (or, why would) god create something that is to be hated from its creation? homosexuality is medically proven to be a part of you. it is not a state of mind, and cannot be altered by the homosexual.

alrighty. so. please help me out here- i see christianity as a good thing- most christians are good people, and religion really works for them. so why do so many hate gays? the argument of "its against my religion" just doesnt fly with me- or is hatred truly a part of christianity? i just dont understand.

 

[Caylin]

- or is hatred truly a part of christianity?

Yes, yes it is.

 

[AeonStrife]

thats not a very nice thing to say dracon427.... i think this just perpetuates the common stereotype of non-religious folk.

anyways, i have been wondering this question as well. I feel that along with being people, homosexual marriages arent the most important problem facing the world.

I fear that people are going to grow up acknowledging that marriages are allright, even if they last only for a few hours. Look at celebrities. all you can see in the headlines are divorce divorce divorce. Divorce may be on the decline, but people nowadays are still viewing it as a commonplace thing, and that it just deserves a slap on the wrist. This has spawned endless television shows which the main point is marrying somebody. For example, a while back they had a show called American Wedding. That completely shocked me. If homosexuals can love, and be loved, i find no reason to bar them marriage. I thought marriage was about love. You might as well say that marriage is between a white man and a white woman. in the same effect, you are discriminating against a certain kind of person. Im more worried about people thinking divorce is "a-ok". its not just your neighborhood friendly homosexual couple, its a celebrity, or a television show, broadcasting to millions of televisions across the country that is worrying. If the world was all happy-happy and lovey-dovey, then sure, i might be against gay marraiges. but i feel some people need to get their priorities in order. Homosexuality may be opposite of marriage, but think of it. Divorce KILLS marriage.

 

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hatred of someone for something that is not their fault and they cannot change is wrong. there is no question in my mind about that.
so, your idea of god is a vengeful, spiteful, robed guy in the clouds who sits and broods about how much he hates those damn gays? or what?! im not getting you.

 

[Caylin]

hatred of someone for something that is not their fault and they cannot change is wrong. there is no question in my mind about that.
so, your idea of god is a vengeful, spiteful, robed guy in the clouds who sits and broods about how much he hates those damn gays? or what?! im not getting you.

My idea of god is that he doesn't exsist, my view of most christians who are homophobes, is they WISH there was a god like that. They take an old book, filled with conflicting messages, and twist its words to get the meaning they want, so they can be justified with their hate.

 

[AeonStrife]

hey man, thats like saying 'all iraqis hate americans" its simply not true. some people do, but a majority of christians have actual intelligent remarks, and facts and such to back up their claims too. i mean, back in the 1700's nobody would have even closely believed evolution, but nowadays alot of people do. many christians accept evolution, but they could say that creation put those first animals on earth. dont say that all christians are hateful spiteful people who only wish the worst upon homosexuals.

 

[Caylin]

hey man, thats like saying 'all iraqis hate americans" its simply not true. some people do, but a majority of christians have actual intelligent remarks, and facts and such to back up their claims too. i mean, back in the 1700's nobody would have even closely believed evolution, but nowadays alot of people do. many christians accept evolution, but they could say that creation put those first animals on earth. dont say that all christians are hateful spiteful people who only wish the worst upon homosexuals.

Notice I specified christians who are homophobes.

 

[stray bullet]

some people are bothered by their own sexuality. Others find homosexuality (rightly) repulsive and judge it based on that.

 

[abeautifuldeath]

dude....many of my friends are gay, and i'm *sorta* a christian (i'm not sure if i believe in god or not at this point in the game...) plus i think that guys making out is just...just....ohhh *drools*

 

[stray bullet]

Well... not everyone finds it repulsive.

 

[dawnmo]

Not all Christians are homophobic. I was never homophobic when I was a Christian. One of my best friends in the world is gay and lives with his partner.

On the other hand, I think the term "homophobic" can be used more than it should. One time someone tried to paint me as a homophobe because I didn't think one of my gay friends should fly out to San Fran to get married. They didn't bother to ask me why I felt that way - my reasons were that 1) the stability of the relationship was questionable (and in fact, they just broke up a few weeks ago, this time for good), and 2) they couldn't afford to go to San Fran without going into debt, and since they were already in debt to their eyeteeth, I didn't think that was such a good idea. Does that make me a homophobe? I thought I was applying common sense instead

 

[stray bullet]

Yeah, besides, there are also gay, lesbian and bisexual Christians.

 

[Western Deity]

i think that guys making out is just...just....ohhh *drools*

Nobody else thought this was funny Lol?

Anyway, back to the topic...

Homophobia is just a conflict of ideas. People are used to and comfortable with the idea of a man and a woman having sex, and homosexuals don't fit into this idea. When people see homosexuals, that idea is violated, and as a result I think people feel threatened by homosexuals

 

[artybloke]

People are used to and comfortable with the idea of a man and a woman

Yeah, but then think about your parents having sex and suddenly it's "ugh!!!"

I'm a Christian, by the way, I know several gay and lesbian people, some of them Christian some of them not, some of them promiscuous (I suppose: I don't actually) and some of them not. Actually, I know a lot of straight people (I am one myself) who ain't much different in their behaviour.

Different stokes for different folks, as the actress said to the bishop.

 

[Grunt]

"Homophobe/Homophobia" are buzzwords. They're thrown around with other buzzwords like "bigot" to attempt to demonize those who don't agree with homosexuals. I have actually seen one person say, "imagine yourself having sex with someone of your gender; if you aren't comfortable with that image you're a homophobe."

A homophobe is one who fears or holds contempt for homosexuals. You can think being gay is wrong, you can be against gay marriage and it is even possible to hate gays without being a homophobe (though most people who do hate gays do full under homophobe).

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

No. they aren't buzzwords. They are the definitions used to describe people who have an irrational fear or dislike towards gays. There are people who fit that definition on here, and in the real world.

As for the OP...there are a few christians who really try to do what is right biblically, and think the bible calls homosexuality a sin, and therefore agrees, but you can spot these people easily, but noticing that they don't treat them differently. And they don't have anger or spend every post attacking gays.

Then there are the others who use the bible to support their predetermined bigotry. Those too, are easy to find (if they haven't been banned) because they spend every post attacking, and demeaning gays. They utilize organizations such as Focus on the Family (who i like to rename, focus on your own dam family) who lie lie lie lie. They utilize reports by people like Paul Cameron, who is a proven liar. If you need to lie to attack a group, chances are GUESS WHAT! you are a bigot, and a homophobe.

 

[GMRELIC]

IMO alot of the people that are so hateful about gays and lesbians are those that are
so angry at thier own surpressed sexual desires, and there are those that do find disgust in it. It seems to me that women are more accepting to male homosexuals than males are, and that males are more accepting to lesbians than females, lets face it, it is a fantacy for alot of men to see 2 women together.
I do know there are alot of people that do consider it wrong and against religious belief, but alot of those I think use thier own detest of it to express thier beliefs.
The same people that are so vocal against it as being so sinful, I do not see on thier soapboxes, about the sin of gluttony, adultry, fornication, cheating on income tax,
white lies, etc etc. IMO it is so easy for people to point out sins and be so vocal about them that do not concern them in anyway. I feel as thou it makes them feel superior if they can put all thier concentration on other peoples sins and not concentrate on thier own. What better thing for a heterosexual to choose than homosexuality, it doesn't step on thier toes at all.

 

[stray bullet]

FAMILY VALUES FOLKS! Family values!

The way some people rant, it seems some think gays are going to take over the world and destroy heterosexuality.

 

[Hydra009]

FAMILY VALUES FOLKS! Family values!

The way some people rant, it seems some think gays are going to take over the world and destroy heterosexuality.

Excellent point.

 

[Grunt]

No. they aren't buzzwords. They are the definitions used to describe people who have an irrational fear or dislike towards gays. There are people who fit that definition on here, and in the real world.

I suggest you read through a few arguments about homosexuality or gay marriage. Gays and their minions are usually very quick to slap "homophobe" on anyone who disagrees with them.