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and there are some who truly need assistance.

Additionally, our church accepts household and clothing donations. Then everything is sorted, organized, and distributed free to anyone on a weekly basis.

My wife started a food closet at a church we attended a few years ago. It started out great becaue a lot of the members brought all kinds of things to stock the closet with. Then things became all bureaucratic and such. We didn't consult with this committe to ask that committe about using the space...then they wanted to limit the use of the items to only those within our own congregation...it got out of hand. We were eventually told to close it because it wasn't the "direction" that part of the church wanted to go.

Sometimes you have those that are ungrateful for what they receive as help and then you have others that are simply unwilling to help and are ungrateful for what they have.
 
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It just seems crazy to me when churches won't make some effort to help. Granted we can't help everyone and there are habitual ones but ...

Have you heard of Under the Overpass? A couple of guys decided to go homeless. One thing they did was go to churches that were having dinners and ask for a plate of food and often they were refused. You guys ever been to a church meal where there wasn't a lot of food left?
 
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It just seems crazy to me when churches won't make some effort to help. Granted we can't help everyone and there are habitual ones but ...

Have you heard of Under the Overpass? A couple of guys decided to go homeless. One thing they did was go to churches that were having dinners and ask for a plate of food and often they were refused. You guys ever been to a church meal where there wasn't a lot of food left?

Yeah it's sad. Strange thing is that the church we were at does a Thanksgiving dinner every year for the needy in that community. And if the people can't come in to eat they will prepare it and drive it out to their house for them. And if they see homeless people or such on the way they will invite them back or go back and bring some to them. That's why we couldn't understand the whole thing with only wanting the food closet to be for members of the church.

My own personal experience is that churches are by and large very helpful to those in need. That one church has been the exception rather than the rule.
 
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It just seems crazy to me when churches won't make some effort to help. Granted we can't help everyone and there are habitual ones but ...

Have you heard of Under the Overpass? A couple of guys decided to go homeless. One thing they did was go to churches that were having dinners and ask for a plate of food and often they were refused. You guys ever been to a church meal where there wasn't a lot of food left?
There's a real fine line with helping all these people - I'd like to lift up one key in Jesus' own ministry.

JESUS DIDN'T HEAL EVERYONE. When His mission was over, He ascended back to heaven, but He hadn't gone out to all the Gentile nations to lead them to salvation & repentance.
Jesus Himself didn't fix everything while here... so while I understand we're to help, we also have to keep a focus & perspective on HOW MUCH a church can & should do in any given community.

I agree, it's tragic that they wouldn't give a plate of food to vagrants who came in need! (that was wrong).

Here's what the Bible says:
Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

My mother worked on the staff of her church, and many times they were barraged with people in need, coming to get a handout from the church - it happens ALOT.
Our church offered small menial jobs around the church in exchange for money and food (to give them a purpose & position), and the people wouldn't bother to show up to DO anything simple, they wanted it for free instead.
No one church can support a large amount of vagrants. If anything a large group effort has to be made.

One other note, a church can only do as much as their congretation tithes/donates.
Today, many Christians like to brag that 'we don't hafta go to church, and we don't hafta give offerings'... many refuse to go to church, YET EXPECT ALL THESE CHURCHES TO KEEP HELPING THE POOR OUT.
Great, BUT WITH WHAT? Many churches aren't financially thriving like you may think.
If you refuse to attend or give your offerings to your local church, then stop demanding what the church must do in a community.

So I'd ask that we be fair to churches... and ask, WHY ALL THESE Christians who refuse to go to church or give to local churches, don't get out there & help these people either?
The stat's say that supposedly 89% of the USA is "christian". Do we really believe that?
 
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I was there for approximately 12 years. I am also very sensitive to the put-downs I've read on this thread. How many people here really know what it's like to come from an abusive home in a big city, get hooked on drugs and alcohol in your pre-teen years and get thrown out on the street in your early teens with no money, shelter, food or life skills?

How is a person in that situation supposed to "get a job"? You're mental and physical capability is severely diminished from chronic hunger, the addictions, and your emotional state from not being able to resolve the past, and from the treatment you get from those who ridicule you and sneer at you with their snotty remarks.

Speaking from experience, the social programs in place for these people is a joke and that's why they don't go for help. I tried several times to get straight and get a job. The jobs all turned out to be slave labour for minimum wage with the employer having no understanding at all of the emotional and physical struggles I faced, or compassion if I happened to fall. As far as counselling goes to get mental and emotional help to overcome, the waiting list is usually several weks or months and the councellors mean well, but really have no clue what you're really up against.

No disrespect to the original poster and others here, but can we not just forget about the statistics argument and open our eyes. Put yourself in their shoes. Not everyone came from a sheltered background with all of the amenities of life at your disposal. Many of them had stuff laid on them later in life that no human being should ever have to endure, and crumbled, and don't have the fortitude to pick themselves up.

When I was out there, I was in contact with probably dozens if not hundreds of Chrisitians. Some were well meaning and some were just downright ugly and mean. What hurt me the most were the ones who would drop a tract on me and/or preach a little mini-sermon at me, tell me Jesus loves me, and then I'd see their butts waddling off down the street. Big help.

What's missing is friendship. If we're going to fulfill our calling and lead them to Christ we need to go beyond the tracts and little sermonettes, and befriend them. Your money and clothes and Timmie's coffee and smiles are all well and good, but not enough. We need people out there with enough balls to get to know them, to lay hands on their scars, to love them and help them understand their issues, and eventually lead them to Christ and freedom. These folks are starving for Jesus but don't know it.

You're probably wondering how I ended up on this forum. It was through someone who saw me for what I really was when I was in my late twenties. Under the thick skin and tough appearance I was just a hurt little kid that couldn't come to grips with my issues. She befiended me (along with her boyfriend) and stuck with me through thick and thin, and led me to Jesus. It wasn't the money or food that got to me. It was the genuine love and compassion that wore me dowm.

Now, 20 or so years later I lead contemporary worship at my church, work with street kids, have 3 of my own and I'm a manager in a large nuclear reserach facility. I also have no doubt where I'd be if someone hadn't reached out to me. Most likely dead or at least in some institution somewhere.

Is it hard to befriend them and try to help them spiritually? You bet is. It can be very trying, perhaps even dangerous (if you consider the risk getting some of your favourite possessions ripped off as more important than someone's eternal destiny that is). Is it our calling as Chrisians? You bet is. So why do we ignore them or put them down. it just doesn't fit. Not much difference between them and you and me really. Not the way God sees it.

God bless.

 
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I was there for approximately 12 years. I am also very sensitive to the put-downs I've read on this thread. How many people here really know what it's like to come from an abusive home in a big city, get hooked on drugs and alcohol in your pre-teen years and get thrown out on the street in your early teens with no money, shelter, food or life skills?

How is a person in that situation supposed to "get a job"? You're mental and physical capability is severely diminished from chronic hunger, the addictions, and your emotional state from not being able to resolve the past, and from the treatment you get from those who ridicule you and sneer at you with their snotty remarks.

Speaking from experience, the social programs in place for these people is a joke and that's why they don't go for help. I tried several times to get straight and get a job. The jobs all turned out to be slave labour for minimum wage with the employer having no understanding at all of the emotional and physical struggles I faced, or compassion if I happened to fall. As far as counselling goes to get mental and emotional help to overcome, the waiting list is usually several weks or months and the councellors mean well, but really have no clue what you're really up against.

No disrespect to the original poster and others here, but can we not just forget about the statistics argument and open our eyes. Put yourself in their shoes. Not everyone came from a sheltered background with all of the amenities of life at your disposal. Many of them had stuff laid on them later in life that no human being should ever have to endure, and crumbled, and don't have the fortitude to pick themselves up.

When I was out there, I was in contact with probably dozens if not hundreds of Chrisitians. Some were well meaning and some were just downright ugly and mean. What hurt me the most were the ones who would drop a tract on me and/or preach a little mini-sermon at me, tell me Jesus loves me, and then I'd see their butts waddling off down the street. Big help.

What's missing is friendship. If we're going to fulfill our calling and lead them to Christ we need to go beyond the tracts and little sermonettes, and befriend them. Your money and clothes and Timmie's coffee and smiles are all well and good, but not enough. We need people out there with enough balls to get to know them, to lay hands on their scars, to love them and help them understand their issues, and eventually lead them to Christ and freedom. These folks are starving for Jesus but don't know it.

You're probably wondering how I ended up on this forum. It was through someone who saw me for what I really was when I was in my late twenties. Under the thick skin and tough appearance I was just a hurt little kid that couldn't come to grips with my issues. She befiended me (along with her boyfriend) and stuck with me through thick and thin, and led me to Jesus. It wasn't the money or food that got to me. It was the genuine love and compassion that wore me dowm.

Now, 20 or so years later I lead contemporary worship at my church, work with street kids, have 3 of my own and I'm a manager in a large nuclear reserach facility. I also have no doubt where I'd be if someone hadn't reached out to me. Most likely dead or at least in some institution somewhere.

Is it hard to befriend them and try to help them spiritually? You bet is. It can be very trying, perhaps even dangerous (if you consider the risk getting some of your favourite possessions ripped off as more important than someone's eternal destiny that is). Is it our calling as Chrisians? You bet is. So why do we ignore them or put them down. it just doesn't fit. Not much difference between them and you and me really. Not the way God sees it.
I'd hope no one had any "put downs" about the homeless.

I would like to lift up a few things - not everyone is cut out or even called to do "one on one" service with the homeless.
There are many out there that are mentally unstable and bringing them into your home is not only dangerous, but it's almost welcoming trouble.
Not everyone is financially able to help them either.

It's not something we all just walk up & pick up a homeless person to 'mentor' as if they're pets we're adopting because I think it could be dangerous in some cases; more than just 'having a wallet lifted'.

I think God would need to directly lead me to something like that and I don't think ALL people are cut out for it.

Services we do, we should feel very comfortable in and it should be very easy for us to serve that way - alot of people are more suited for it in their home situations.
 
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Yeah it's sad. Strange thing is that the church we were at does a Thanksgiving dinner every year for the needy in that community. And if the people can't come in to eat they will prepare it and drive it out to their house for them. And if they see homeless people or such on the way they will invite them back or go back and bring some to them. That's why we couldn't understand the whole thing with only wanting the food closet to be for members of the church.

My own personal experience is that churches are by and large very helpful to those in need. That one church has been the exception rather than the rule.

At the moment, our food pantry is only open to members of the church and people they refer to us.
We have struggled a lot with the food pantry and how to handle things.
It got to the point where the same people came month after month, and would totally clean us out. They would come all in the same car but yet say they all lived separately. (Which could be true).
But I guess one reason we decided to close it to the community was one month we were almost totally cleaned out. I then had one of our church members call me and tell me she knew a lady who really really needed food. I really felt bad because this was someone who we knew really needed it, and we didn't have hardly any food at all.
Also, being the church secretary, getting the food together for people ended up in my lap. They would normally all come in the same week/days each month and they took up a lot of my time to where I couldn't get all my work done.
It is a dilemma for churches. There are many many people who simply scam churches and abuse the system. We've had many of them. But yet there are people out there who truly need help.
We also have many people calling needing help with rent, utilities, etc and we simply can't help them.
One thing our church is going to be doing, is become an Angel Food Ministries distribution place. People can get a big bundle of food (worth at least $50) for $25, each month.
 
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Services we do, we should feel very comfortable in and it should be very easy for us to serve that way - alot of people are more suited for it in their home situations.

I think many times God may call us to do something we aren't very comfortable doing and isn't very easy for us to do. He wants us to get out of our comfort zone. Sure I can say 'well it's dangerous, some of those people are mental', and not do anything. But, what if everyone felt that way? No one would help them.
I just got done reading The Gutter, and it is a very convicting book when it comes to the topic.
 
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I think many times God may call us to do something we aren't very comfortable doing and isn't very easy for us to do. He wants us to get out of our comfort zone. Sure I can say 'well it's dangerous, some of those people are mental', and not do anything. But, what if everyone felt that way? No one would help them.
I just got done reading The Gutter, and it is a very convicting book when it comes to the topic.

I'll be honest, I feel led to help the poor, but NOT by one on one 'mentoring'.
It is not my area of service - I know what you mean about 'comfort zones' & that we're called to move forward, but a person's gifts HAVE to be taken into account.
Not ALL of us are cut out for this type of service. IF God wants us to do this, then I truly believe His call will be definitive and HE will give us the desire TO do this service directly.

I've been learning on our gifts & what I keep hearing repeatedly is that we will LOVE what we're doing & it will be best suited for our capabilities & personalities.

Then if we're married, we need to ask our spouse if this is what they would be ok with - taking them into our homes or being one on one with them while alone (I'm a female, I can promise you my husband wouldn't be ok with that for me). etc.

There's alot involved with this - I understand both sides, but I still don't believe we're all called to deal one on one with each of them... I'm not being heartless - I wish we all could.
I think God will bring them to us in some way if we're called to this.
 
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I'll be honest, I feel led to help the poor, but NOT by one on one 'mentoring'.
It is not my area of service - I know what you mean about 'comfort zones' & that we're called to move forward, but a person's gifts HAVE to be taken into account.
Not ALL of us are cut out for this type of service. IF God wants us to do this, then I truly believe His call will be definitive and HE will give us the desire TO do this service directly.

I've been learning on our gifts & what I keep hearing repeatedly is that we will LOVE what we're doing & it will be best suited for our capabilities & personalities.

Then if we're married, we need to ask our spouse if this is what they would be ok with - taking them into our homes or being one on one with them while alone (I'm a female, I can promise you my husband wouldn't be ok with that for me). etc.

There's alot involved with this - I understand both sides, but I still don't believe we're all called to deal one on one with each of them... I'm not being heartless - I wish we all could.
I think God will bring them to us in some way if we're called to this.

I understand that. And I guess I wasn't really thinking about bringing them into your home (being married, don't think my hubby would care much for that either!)
I just think sometimes as Christians, we use the 'I'm not called to that' excuse many times without even thinking about the fact that God may actually want us to do it!
 
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When I was out there, I was in contact with probably dozens if not hundreds of Chrisitians. Some were well meaning and some were just downright ugly and mean. What hurt me the most were the ones who would drop a tract on me and/or preach a little mini-sermon at me, tell me Jesus loves me, and then I'd see their butts waddling off down the street. Big help.


What's missing is friendship. If we're going to fulfill our calling and lead them to Christ we need to go beyond the tracts and little sermonettes, and befriend them. Your money and clothes and Timmie's coffee and smiles are all well and good, but not enough. We need people out there with enough balls to get to know them, to lay hands on their scars, to love them and help them understand their issues, and eventually lead them to Christ and freedom. These folks are starving for Jesus but don't know it.

You're probably wondering how I ended up on this forum. It was through someone who saw me for what I really was when I was in my late twenties. Under the thick skin and tough appearance I was just a hurt little kid that couldn't come to grips with my issues. She befiended me (along with her boyfriend) and stuck with me through thick and thin, and led me to Jesus. It wasn't the money or food that got to me. It was the genuine love and compassion that wore me dowm.

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Is it hard to befriend them and try to help them spiritually? You bet is. It can be very trying, perhaps even dangerous (if you consider the risk getting some of your favourite possessions ripped off as more important than someone's eternal destiny that is). Is it our calling as Chrisians? You bet is. So why do we ignore them or put them down. it just doesn't fit. Not much difference between them and you and me really. Not the way God sees it.

:thumbsup:

I think part of what most Christians fail to realize is that homelessness (and poverty) is different from the inside out. It is a life of hunger -- and not just physical hunger -- it is bereft of hope.

The poor are people, just like me, just like you. People.

Not all of us are called to lead an outreach for the poor!! I whole-heartedly agree with that. We each have our place in the body! And it is a foolish eye indeed that tries to swing a hammer!!

But we are all admonished in the Word, again and again, to remember the poor, to help them, to give to them and not hold back....

Not to turn away, not to walk around on the far side of the road, but to demonstrate the love of Christ, who loved each of us, when we ourselves were buried in sin and dirty and wretched and gross.

AND YET the church food banks are empty.... But hey, at least our cable bills are paid on time! And besides, cannot the government take care of this problem for us?

I try to bless them; I don't care if they deserve it or not. I don't deserve life, either. And certainly I do not deserve God's grace -- there have been many blessings from Him which I squandered... And yet, God keeps on blessing me....
 
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fenderbender - Wow! What a testimony. Thanks so much for taking the time to post. Thanks!

In addition to the food pantry, sometimes our church prepares meals (turkey, ham, etc) and invites anyone who wants to come - we go and get those that contact us - (Sally told Sue who told Joe type of contact). We usually have songs and sometimes play games during those times. Thanks to fenderbender's testimony, I see we need to do more.

To reduce the habitual ones, the churches in a large city set up one location. Then they have permanent employees or volunteers who get to know the clients. So they believe that helped reduce the repeaters. But we don't have anything like that where we live now. Even at our clothes closet, we have repeaters. It does get discouraging in that respect.

However, something we haven't discussed is help coming from other sources. A few street evangelists we know say that the witches are offering food and shelter to those in need without all the "restrictions" that some churches have. That bothers me that they have the funds and are willing to extend a hand when some churches aren't.

Some homeless people are afraid of shelters. Does anyone have any experience with say - just a couple of rooms offered instead of a larger facility? Does anyone have experience with a soup kitchen sponsored by your church?
 
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What timing -- on the news this morning in So. Cal., the city is going to sue a Christian church in Long Beach for allowing the homeless to sleep on it's sidewalks all around the church.
This church has a 'soup kitchen' and feeds the poor while allowing them to sleep there at the premises.

But angry [secular] citizens have been calling the city to complain, and now this church faces fines of $1000 per day for letting them sleep there.

So, here you have a church DOING what they're supposed to be doing, and in civil trouble for doing it.
It's CHRISTIANS who are trying to help them & are being penalized for it.
 
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I always give to poeple on the street. Jesus forgave us all and saved us all...who are we to judge poeple.

I may have all the money, houses, cars etc that I need or want now, but there was a time that I needed others just as much as these poeple need us and no one turned their back on me so I will never turn my back on others.

Sometimes you have to be there to understand, thankful many of you will never go through it.
 
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