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Phoebe
TwoBrickShyOfAFullLoad
Br. Max, who is the funeral for?
I didn't make it to a Maundy Thursday service. My step- dughter is in track, and it was "Senior night." The seniors and their parents are recognized at the field. I felt I needed to be there.
How was church for those that went? I asked to be off work early tomorrow so that I could get to the Good Friday service.
Did anyone else know that the egg is the symbol of eternal life in Judaism? I found that interesting.
I didn't make it to a Maundy Thursday service. My step- dughter is in track, and it was "Senior night." The seniors and their parents are recognized at the field. I felt I needed to be there.
How was church for those that went? I asked to be off work early tomorrow so that I could get to the Good Friday service.
Did anyone else know that the egg is the symbol of eternal life in Judaism? I found that interesting.
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In regard to the Stations of the Cross, I read something on the internet about that it had it's origin in the occult Tarot Cards. Here is a little of what it says:
"The Tarot and it's Major Arcanas were an expression of ancient Pagan Mysteries: they were suppressed and seen as a danger to those cultures whose indigenous belief systems were all ready in conflict to Church teachings. To use Tarot was considered rank heresy: St. Bernardino said the Tarot was an invention of the Devil and the Trump cards (the Major Arcana) was the Devil's breviary (prayerbook). They were banned in Florence, Germany, Paris, and Northern Italy. In 1452, Cardinal John Capistran caused "a great heap of the cards to be burned in the marketplace of Nuremburg as if they were live witches. In contrast, a 14th century monk, John of Brefeld wrote that "the state of the world is most excellently described & figured in them"--but he was in the minority.
At that time, Europe was poised on the brink of the Renaissance, and the Church no longer had the unquestioning faith of the people; the Black Death has decimated whole villages in a swath of Terror, and a disillusioned people were ready for something beyond their given beliefs. An influx of new ideas from Eastern countries had stimulated intellectual curiosity and this reached all levels of society. Church-sponsored Crusades had sent Europe's rude barbarians to the Eastern centers of higher civilization...the fierce beauty of the ancient cultures they encountered, the mystical philosophies, the science, the mathematics, astrology and medicine, shook the faith of these warriors and pilgrims.
The Saracens, for example, had used cards since the 8th century--they called them "naib", and the crusaders picked up their game of divination & brought it back to Europe. The people adopted these cards readily because they thought the pictures on them represented their beloved pagan deities of old; their response to these archetypal images provided a fertile soil in which the cards thrived, and thus they circled, in various forms, all around Europe. Many kings had their own decks painted, and had a professional Reader present in their court to consult on matters of government or war.
The *form* of the Tarot actually harks back to *very* ancient times when Buddhist, Hindu and Tibetan priests used pasteboard picture cards as unbound books to teach religious doctrine to children and the illiterate while playing games. In India, worshipers of Vishnu placed a portrait of each of their god's 10 emanations on the Court cards of their suits. Cards in sequence imitated holy processions in which certain divine images were carried, and masked, costumed humans impersonated supernatural entities to bring the people to greater understanding of the relationship between themselves an the Divine. Sequential cards also copied the instructive picture galleries in the corridors leading to the Holy of Holies in Oriental temples-each picture meant a new revelation in the process of initiation--and for those who could not travel to the temple, these images could be painted on cards for their private meditation--this prefigured the Stations of the Cross, and holy cards in the Catholic Church."
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That's interesting, just to re-quote the last part of that about Hinduism..
"Sequential cards also copied the instructive picture galleries in the corridors leading to the Holy of Holies in Oriental temples-each picture meant a new revelation in the process of initiation--and for those who could not travel to the temple, these images could be painted on cards for their private meditation--this prefigured the Stations of the Cross, and holy cards in the Catholic Church"
Its strange but I've seen lots of pictures with Hindus using rosary beads.
"The Tarot and it's Major Arcanas were an expression of ancient Pagan Mysteries: they were suppressed and seen as a danger to those cultures whose indigenous belief systems were all ready in conflict to Church teachings. To use Tarot was considered rank heresy: St. Bernardino said the Tarot was an invention of the Devil and the Trump cards (the Major Arcana) was the Devil's breviary (prayerbook). They were banned in Florence, Germany, Paris, and Northern Italy. In 1452, Cardinal John Capistran caused "a great heap of the cards to be burned in the marketplace of Nuremburg as if they were live witches. In contrast, a 14th century monk, John of Brefeld wrote that "the state of the world is most excellently described & figured in them"--but he was in the minority.
At that time, Europe was poised on the brink of the Renaissance, and the Church no longer had the unquestioning faith of the people; the Black Death has decimated whole villages in a swath of Terror, and a disillusioned people were ready for something beyond their given beliefs. An influx of new ideas from Eastern countries had stimulated intellectual curiosity and this reached all levels of society. Church-sponsored Crusades had sent Europe's rude barbarians to the Eastern centers of higher civilization...the fierce beauty of the ancient cultures they encountered, the mystical philosophies, the science, the mathematics, astrology and medicine, shook the faith of these warriors and pilgrims.
The Saracens, for example, had used cards since the 8th century--they called them "naib", and the crusaders picked up their game of divination & brought it back to Europe. The people adopted these cards readily because they thought the pictures on them represented their beloved pagan deities of old; their response to these archetypal images provided a fertile soil in which the cards thrived, and thus they circled, in various forms, all around Europe. Many kings had their own decks painted, and had a professional Reader present in their court to consult on matters of government or war.
The *form* of the Tarot actually harks back to *very* ancient times when Buddhist, Hindu and Tibetan priests used pasteboard picture cards as unbound books to teach religious doctrine to children and the illiterate while playing games. In India, worshipers of Vishnu placed a portrait of each of their god's 10 emanations on the Court cards of their suits. Cards in sequence imitated holy processions in which certain divine images were carried, and masked, costumed humans impersonated supernatural entities to bring the people to greater understanding of the relationship between themselves an the Divine. Sequential cards also copied the instructive picture galleries in the corridors leading to the Holy of Holies in Oriental temples-each picture meant a new revelation in the process of initiation--and for those who could not travel to the temple, these images could be painted on cards for their private meditation--this prefigured the Stations of the Cross, and holy cards in the Catholic Church."
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That's interesting, just to re-quote the last part of that about Hinduism..
"Sequential cards also copied the instructive picture galleries in the corridors leading to the Holy of Holies in Oriental temples-each picture meant a new revelation in the process of initiation--and for those who could not travel to the temple, these images could be painted on cards for their private meditation--this prefigured the Stations of the Cross, and holy cards in the Catholic Church"
Its strange but I've seen lots of pictures with Hindus using rosary beads.
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Phoebe
TwoBrickShyOfAFullLoad
The egg thing was something that I remember being printed recently abour Passover.
In my Jewish Book of Why, eggs have become a the food of mourners. When the Temple was destroyed the second time in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.,sacrifices could no longer be offered, so the egg symbolizes this loss.
Before this, the egg was symbolic of the regular festval sacrifice brought in days when the Temple stood in Jerusalem.
During our Good Friday service, we extinguished seven candles, and the Shepherd's candle during the readings. We read the Passion according to St. John.
In my Jewish Book of Why, eggs have become a the food of mourners. When the Temple was destroyed the second time in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.,sacrifices could no longer be offered, so the egg symbolizes this loss.
Before this, the egg was symbolic of the regular festval sacrifice brought in days when the Temple stood in Jerusalem.
During our Good Friday service, we extinguished seven candles, and the Shepherd's candle during the readings. We read the Passion according to St. John.
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Chrissy, may I ask why u choose to post this about the Stations of the Cross being liken to tarot cards......and hindus using rosary beads? First.....Rosary beards are used for prayer and mediation......mediation on Jesus......and Stations of the Cross (if u've ever been to a Station of the Cross, it's very beautiful)..is a remembrance of what our Lord had to go through for US. Chrissy if u have any questions about the Station of the Cross or Rosary, please feel free to ask.
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I'm kinda confused as to how the egg would symbolize the loss of sacrafice? Do u eat eggs as part of the meal for passover?
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Phoebe
TwoBrickShyOfAFullLoad
Yes. It is one of the symbolic foods placed at the head of the Seder table.
The symbolic foods are: bitter herbs(maror)
a vegetable (karpas)
a second, more bitter vegetable(chazeret)
a nut and apple mixture (charoset)
the shankbone or neck of poultry, roasted (zeroa)
a hardboiled egg, browned in its shell (baytza)
The symbolic foods are: bitter herbs(maror)
a vegetable (karpas)
a second, more bitter vegetable(chazeret)
a nut and apple mixture (charoset)
the shankbone or neck of poultry, roasted (zeroa)
a hardboiled egg, browned in its shell (baytza)
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are these the foods that can only be eaten for passover? I thought there was an unlevened bread for this meal as well?
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Phoebe
TwoBrickShyOfAFullLoad
There are others eaten, but these are the symbolic foods. The unleavened bread is called matza. The eating of it is based on Exodus 12:34, then amplified in Deut. 16:3 It must be eaten at the Seder meal. (first night of Passover) Paschal lamb and bitter herbs are the other two foods that need to be present. (with the matza)
I thought the egg thing was interesting because Jehovah's Witnesses claim that eggs are a pagan symbol of fertility, and Christians adopted this tradition from the pagans.
I thought the egg thing was interesting because Jehovah's Witnesses claim that eggs are a pagan symbol of fertility, and Christians adopted this tradition from the pagans.
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Oh, they're wonderful.
Although I would actually call them "holy days," since some people use the term "ritual" in a derogatory sense.
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Oh, I think He is.
And who says anyone gives Him "nothing the rest of the time anyway."? That's your words, friend.
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wow awesome Mass tonight.....2 1/2 hours !!!!! candlelight....then RCIA baptism, confirmation and first communion. Every minute was great.
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That's awesome!!!
We don't wait for C or E to celebrate God.
Hehe! Neither do we! And I just love Christmas and Easter. The whole Church calendar is a year-long participation in the life and events of Christ.
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Hmmm, I've certainly never divined my future through participation in the Stations of the Cross. *shrug*
Hehehe... did their "rosaries" have a crucifix and a medal of Mary on them too?
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