This is the layering of meaning to me. It had application at the time, inattention to detail given by God, and was latter used in an allegorical sense. Truth in both applications.
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Apart from the NT identification of the rock as an allegory of Christ, I am struck by the implication of these verses.
The OP, and some of the following posts, assume that Moses' fault was in striking the rock instead of speaking to it. But in vs. 12, the LORD doesn't mention striking the rock, but not trusting in God enough to honour him.
Moses was not silent when he and Aaron went to the rock. He did speak. But he spoke to the Israelites, not to the rock and in speaking to the Israelites he asked (v. 10) "must we (presumably he and Aaron) bring you water out of this rock?
This is surely not honouring God, but rather arrogating to himself and Aaron what belongs to God. Perhaps this is the source of God's anger rather than striking the rock. Would striking the rock have been a no-no if he had also spoken to the rock and given God the glory for releasing the water?
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they exist where people wish them to exist. not where people want them to exist but where ever people believe them to. we do live in a religion where the lord can turn the meekist of children into the strongist of ideals much s he can with his own people. tbh i have often seen his children pay the price for thier whorship not only on the news but also on the internet, man im getting abit mad about it tbh, lord please sort your [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] out we beg you
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I see this as well, but I see no other examples in scripture where close enough was the standard. Honoring God as Holy, to me, means that the instructions/Word He gave were set apart/perfect and no deviation was permissible. This does not diminish the fact that they took credit for what God provided, but I have to believe that the striking was part of the issue based on the totality of scripture.
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Indeed. Not following instruction was clearly a central point. Could Moses have addressed the problem by pleading in humility for some other answer beside speaking to the rock? Probably so. As Glaudys suggests, an approach without arrogance might have allowed for some kind of work-around. The Bible records people who avoid a death sentance from God by seeking Him in prayer.
That is a far cry from simply re-writing a factual history that God has already recorded in Gen 1.
I don't know why the provokes no concern for the possibility that replacing the methods of God (ie, striking rather than speaking) is like replacing the history given by God. How about just a small qualm about the surface text? Even if you are not sold on the reasoning of the OP, its still a good point, isn't it?
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Obedience was what the Lord wanted. He would be honored in their sight if he have just spoken to it. That would show the mighty power of God to those who grumbled and His supernatural provision for them. . But they might say the water came out because of hitting it and was a natural thing, not something from God.
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Was this not a common method of information preservation when writing was not possible, oral tradition? It is my (limited) understanding that poetry/song was used to make memorization of details easier.
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12 days seemed like a slight on the historical value. I buy history, others do not. I just could not let that one go unrebutted.
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Yes. It is a bit of touchy point. And there is alot of scripture I just don't know that well.
But, I just can't think of an example of an observed physical condition that defines what God cannot do.
There is the example of Jesus who could not heal in his hometown, but that was explicitly made to be an issue of faith, not realism about the particular medical problems themselves.
In military issues, Israel never faced an enemy that they could not defeat. They were however judged for their lack of faith. They were told to go to Babylon and not resist, which was for their own good, presumably because they were just too far gone from the faith. But, never are the military odds the issue.
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It's a good example that always attracts attention. And if God had somehow stuck the Twelve Days of Christmas into Scripture, AiG's "a sequence of days with ordinal numbers are always literal days!" criterion would have us believe that the song describes a historical lover who actually received gifts like partridges in pear trees and all, and God help the compromising heretic who argues that the whole thing is an allegory.
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